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<font size="3" face="Lucida Grande">Hi Chris,</font> </p>
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<font size="3" face="Lucida Grande">Jamie</font><br><br>>>> "Chris Worcester" <chris@solarwindworks.com> 1/13/2010 4:14 PM >>><br> </p>
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<b><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN STYLE='FONT-SIZE:"10.0pt" ;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma,sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></span></b><SPAN STYLE='FONT-SIZE:"10.0pt" ;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma,sans-serif"'><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10.0pt">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Surrette<br style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:43 AM<br style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif"><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteries<o style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif" p="#DEFAULT"></o style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif"></span></SPAN> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Hi Hugh & Wrenches,</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Regarding the charge voltages you sited, you've got the gist.</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">As battery temperature drops, you need to increase the charge voltage to properly charge and, conversely, as temperatures rise, voltage needs to be decreased to reduce the risk of overcharging.</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">I believe the range we site to accommodate for temperature is (in C);</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">0-16C: 2.5VPC</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">17-27C: 2.4VPC</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">28-40C: 2.36VPC</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">These are your max bulk / absorb voltage settings.</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Regarding a low voltage disconnect, there is a significant difference between on load and at rest voltages at 50% SOC.</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Below is a table of a cell being discharged at a known constant load (C/20) over time at 25C;</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Hope this is of some assistance.</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Regards,</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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James Surrette<br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif">Surrette Battery Co. Ltd<br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif">1 Station Rd.<br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif">Springhill, NS, CAN<br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif">B0M 1X0<br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif">Direct: 902.597.4027<br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif">Fax: 902.597.8447<br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><br style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif">>>> Hugh <hugh@scoraigwind.co.uk> 1/13/2010 2:26 PM >>></font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Hi wrenches,</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">I have been selling and using a few sets of Rolls 4000 series S530</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">batteries lately.</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">I have downloaded the Solar Battery manual from </font></span><font face="Lucida Grande,serif"><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><i><u><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com">www.rollsbattery.com</a></u></i></span></font><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">It's very interesting. At 17 degrees C you need to charge at 14.4</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">volts. At 16 degrees it's 15 volts. Hmm, Ok I get the idea. I am</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">certainly learning to compensate my temperatures this winter.</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">I did a search in the document for the word 'discharge'. I am</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">the discharge capacity is to be had at 11.5 volts (he has a 12v</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">genny? And in a hard frost, the same voltage?</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">No mention of discharge in the solar battery manual. Any ideas anyone?</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">Please don't tell me to buy an amphour meter (or worse still to sell</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande,serif"><font face="Lucida Grande,serif">you that I am not getting many amphours out of my batteries in these</font></span><o p="#DEFAULT"></o> </p>
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