<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Todd:<br> Eagle Roofing is a roofing distributor and a solar distributor too. Do you expect Conergy, Solar Depot, and AEE to install their own systems too.<br> Otherwise, I agree with your point, the end-user gets better service when the sales company and installer are the same company. I find most folks understand that. I have installed systems for sales-only companies in the past, but I always double-check the design work, and often modify the designs to my liking. In those cases, I charge by the job. The sales companies usually want to pay less, but if they want quality installations, then they have to pay us for our experience.<br><div> </div>Nick Soleil<br>Project Manager<br>Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<br>PO Box
657<br>Petaluma, CA 94953<br>Cell: 707-321-2937<br>Office: 707-789-9537<br>Fax: 707-769-9037<div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Brian White <brianw@eagleroofing.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>; RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, December 21, 2009 2:12:54 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar System Certification<br></font><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">From their, our customers can either use their own contractors, or we suggest one for them. We also offer engineering as a line item option with a solar system. They can either use our provided engineering or produce their own. Although the majority take advantage of our in house engineering.</font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org on behalf of toddcory@finestplanet.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Mon 12/21/2009 1:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar System Certification<br></font><br></div>
<div><font face="arial" size="4">So you can get others to install your designs? I would never touch materials I do not sell, or install a system I did not design... and I am amazed anyone would.<br><br>Todd<br><br><br><br>On Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56pm, "Brian White" <brianw@eagleroofing.com> said:<br><br>> Thanks to all who have posted.<br>> <br>> To answer a couple of questions that have been posted.<br>> <br>> Eagle Roofing does not have a contractor's license, as we do not perform the<br>> installation. We work with electrical contractors and roofing contractors in the<br>> area of a given project. Our services do include the design and documentation of<br>> the system, and "help" our partners pull the permit.<br>> <br>> We have tried several of the approaches mentioned here, i.e. the system consist of<br>> certified products, and why do we have to re-test certified products, etc.<br>> However, this
plan checker seems very firm on their position. Pressing further, we<br>> asked them to provide the criteria for the test they are requesting, and amazingly<br>> enough they could not produce any. They also said that just a wet stamp of the<br>> plans would not suffice.<br>> <br>> We have completed previous installations in this local within the last year and<br>> were not faced with this requirement, even though it was originally adopted in<br>> 2007.<br>> <br>> The following is a verbal description of what they want done;<br>> <br>> He said that a registered electrical engineer has to be onsite when the<br>> installation of this system is completed. This engineer has to test the power<br>> (wattage) and load (amps) to make sure that the output is within the parameters of<br>> which this system is design for, and finally this person has to write a report<br>> with his PE stamp to certify that this system is
working properly.<br>> <br>> We did get as far as to get him to agree that it did not seem relevant, as he said<br>> he was going to look into the ordinance a little further and might make some<br>> revisions to it. However, for now, he won't budge on this ordinance because it's<br>> been in the city code before he came on board.<br>> <br>> Also, some additional system information. 3 strings of 38 PV Tiles (Suntech 50<br>> Watt BIPV Roof Tile) with one PV Powered 4800 Watt inverter in a grid tied set up.<br>> Not exactly a complex system.<br>> <br>> I will provide additional updates as I get them.<br>> <br>> Thanks again,<br>> Brian C. White<br>> Design Engineer - PV Systems<br>> <br>> Eagle Roofing Products<br>> 120 North Auburn Street - Suite 212<br>> Grass Valley, CA 95945<br>> Phone: 530-273-2948<br>> Cell: 530-575-5550<br>> e-mail: brianw@eagleroofing.com
<mailto:brianw@eagleroofing.com><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ________________________________<br>> <br>> From: re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org on behalf of William Miller<br>> Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 3:05 PM<br>> To: RE-wrenches<br>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar System Certification<br>> <br>> <br>> Brian:<br>> <br>> I looked up the Municipal Codes<br><span>> (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.ci.yorba-linda.ca.us/%7Eci26/how-do-i/get/get-city-codes">http://www.ci.yorba-linda.ca.us/~ci26/how-do-i/get/get-city-codes</a>) and this</span><br>> requirement is right in there. I hope you have a provision in your contract that<br>> allows for additional billing for unanticipated engineering fees. Everyone<br>> should. If you need language, contact me off line.<br>> <br>> Fortunately I have never experienced anything like this. This requirement sounds<br>> unreasonable. It is sort of
like asking an air conditioning contractor to have<br>> the air conditioning unit tested in the field. Individual solar components are<br>> listed. The combining of the components is facilitated by the manufacturers<br>> specifications and on-line sizing tools. Having said that, an amateur can easily<br>> screw the design and installation of even the most simple grid-tie system. This<br>> provision is the ultimate consumer protection. It sounds onerous at first but<br>> does have a benefit.<br>> <br>> Good luck, and give us a hint how much this certification costs.<br>> <br>> William Miller<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> At 01:31 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:<br>> <br>> <br>> I am curious if any of you have had to deal with this issue before.<br>> <br>> The following is an item we got back from the City of Yorba Linda for a Plan<br>> Check correction:<br>> <br>> <br>> All electrical solar
systems shall be tested and approved by a California<br>> Registered Electrical Engineer. The engineer shall furnish a report stating<br>> their name, registration number, its date of expiration, address where the<br>> testing occurred and the dates of testing and approval. Such report shall be<br>> presented to the City inspector for approval at the time of final inspection. <br>> (YLMC 15.28.020) Note on the plans.<br>> <br>> All experiences and suggestion are appreciated.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Best Regards,<br>> Brian C. White<br>> Design Engineer - PV Systems<br>> <br>> Eagle Roofing Products<br>> 120 North Auburn Street - Suite 212<br>> Grass Valley, CA 95945<br>> Phone: 530-273-2948<br>> Cell: 530-575-5550<br>> e-mail: brianw@eagleroofing.com <mailto:brianw@eagleroofing.com><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> List sponsored by Home Power
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