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stopped using Hydro-caps after replacing the umpteenth set that had melted
down. During a conversation with Hydro-cap I was told that [& this was many
years ago] the bulk voltage was too high @ 28.8 VDC and I charge 24 volt banks
to 29.2 VDC and I should be using a lower setting and if I was to and that I was
going to EQ that I needed to remove the caps. I feel that this is out of line
and it did not agree with my battery suppliers requirement to completely charge
and maintain a properly maintained bank. I have thrown out literally 100’s
of caps that have melted down over the years. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel
Davidson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic Watering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>You can get Hydrocaps direct from </span><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hydrocap Corp., 975 N.W. 95 Street,
Miami, FL 33150, Tel 305-696-2504. I gave up trying to buy them
after they returned my check twice. They wanted more info
about charge rates and battery dimensions even though I filled out
their order form and talked to them twice. I think they were concerned
because the Hydrocaps from the old set of the same IBE cells did not fit on the
new cells even though they were the same model IBE cells. Instead, I'm
getting a garden sprayer and will check and fill the cells as needed. I'll
check the cells every 2 months in the first year and then determine the
inspection frequency. The batteries are on a Sunny Boy/Island grid-tie PV
system so inspection will probably be 2 to 4 times per year
after the first year.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Joel
Davidson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com"
title="allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan Sindelar</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:01 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic
Watering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>One person's opinion, here...<br>
Avoid Hydrocaps. You need to remove them to equalize. They can clog up and plug
the battery up, leading to an explosion from pressure. I have seen it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=il><b>Allan</b></span><b>
Sindelar</b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank"><span class=il><u>Allan</u></span><u>@positiveenergysolar.com</u></a><br>
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>
EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
<b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b><br>
3201 Calle Marie<br>
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br>
<b>505 424-1112</b><br>
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<a href="mailto:Windsun@wind-sun.com"><u>Windsun@wind-sun.com</u></a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hydrocaps - they run around $30 each last I
checked. We used to sell them but gave up when lead times went from weeks to
months.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:atruitt@gmail.com" title="atruitt@gmail.com"><u>Andrew Truitt</u></a>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><u>RE-wrenches</u></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:07 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic
Watering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Has anyone ever used the recombination caps that combine the released hydrogen
with oxygen and return the pure water to the cells? I am considering them
for a large ([98] 2200Ah Surrettes) battery system that we installed a while
ago, but I think they run about $200 a piece. <br>
<br>
<br>
Andrew Truitt<br>
Standard Solar Inc.<br>
<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM,
Joel Davidson <<a href="mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net"><u>joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net</u></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Than you Roy, Jay, Jeff, and ...<br>
<br>
I'm glad I checked my email before going to Pep Boys to buy an automotive
battery filler. Great idea! I've been buying and selling batteries for over 35
years and this is the first time I've heard about using a garden sprayer to
fill batteries. The RE-Wrenches knowledge base scores again!<br>
<br>
Happy Holidays.<br>
Joel Davidson<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Butler" <<a
href="mailto:roy@four-winds-energy.com" target="_blank"><u>roy@four-winds-energy.com</u></a>>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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To: "RE-wrenches" <<a
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5:50 AM <o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic Watering<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Joel,<br>
<br>
I was waiting to see if others use my method but I didn't see anyone<br>
post it.<br>
I've been off grid and having to maintain my batteries since 1997. I grew to<br>
hate the battery watering jugs for several reasons and finally came up with<br>
something that works for me.....your results may vary!<br>
<br>
I now use a pump up type garden sprayer. I use a 1.5 gallon version with a<br>
plastic wand, spray tip removed. I pump it up 6-8 times and that pressure<br>
allows me to fill 3 to 4 cells, depending on the volume of water needed.<br>
<br>
What I like about this is that the wand reaches anywhere in the bank and<br>
most important, I can watch the cells fill. I put a piece of electrical<br>
tape around<br>
the wand and insert the wand into the cell to the tape level. This is my<br>
water<br>
level and it's really easy to tell when the electrolyte reaches the end<br>
of the wand.<br>
<br>
About 1/2 of my customers are off grid and most use the sprayer method with<br>
good results.<br>
<br>
BTW, this was a brand new sprayer, dedicated to distilled water and hidden<br>
away from my wife, who loves to grab what ever is available in my shop.<br>
And at<br>
least here in snow country, the sprayers are all on sale!<br>
<br>
Roy Butler<br>
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®<br>
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer<br>
PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer<br>
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC<br>
8902 Route 46<br>
Arkport, NY 14807<br>
607-324-9747<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com" target="_blank"><u>www.four-winds-energy.com</u></a><br>
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Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message,<br>
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Joel Davidson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Wrenches,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your feedback that automatic watering is not automatic or
reliable. Valves can stick open (a flood) or shut (a dry cell) or not seat
properly (dripping that becomes a slow flood). I'll get a 2.5 quart watering
can sold at auto parts stores - unless you all have a better idea.<br>
<br>
Thanks again,<br>
Joel Davidson<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Davidson" <<a
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To: "RE-wrenches" <<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank"><u>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</u></a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:14 PM<br>
Subject: Battery Automatic Watering<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Wrenches,<br>
<br>
We installed 48 each IBE 1-85N-15 cells (24 in series in 2 Direct Power &
Water battery boxes). We do not want to use Hydrocaps. Your suggestions for an
automatic watering system would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.<br>
<br>
Happy Holidays.<br>
Joel Davidson<o:p></o:p></p>
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