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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You can get Hydrocaps direct from <FONT
size=3>Hydrocap Corp., 975 N.W. 95 Street, Miami, FL
33150, Tel</FONT></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3>
305-696-2504. I gave up trying to buy them after they
returned my check twice. They wanted more info about charge rates
and battery dimensions even though I filled out their order form
and talked to them twice. I think they were concerned because the Hydrocaps from
the old set of the same IBE cells did not fit on the new cells even though
they were the same model IBE cells. Instead, I'm getting a garden sprayer and
will check and fill the cells as needed. I'll check the cells every 2 months in
the first year and then determine the inspection frequency. The batteries are on
a Sunny Boy/Island grid-tie PV system so inspection will
probably be 2 to 4 times per year after the first
year.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Joel Davidson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery
Automatic Watering</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>One person's opinion, here...<BR>Avoid Hydrocaps. You need to
remove them to equalize. They can clog up and plug the battery up, leading to
an explosion from pressure. I have seen it.<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=il><B>Allan</B></SPAN><B> Sindelar</B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><A href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"
target=_blank><SPAN
class=il>Allan</SPAN>@positiveenergysolar.com</A><BR>NABCEP Certified
Photovoltaic Installer<BR>EE98J Journeyman Electrician<BR><B>Positive Energy,
Inc.</B><BR>3201 Calle Marie<BR>Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<BR><B>505
424-1112</B><BR><A href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/"
target=_blank>www.positiveenergysolar.com</A></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV><BR><BR><A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:Windsun@wind-sun.com">Windsun@wind-sun.com</A> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri>Hydrocaps - they run around $30 each last I
checked. We used to sell them but gave up when lead times went from weeks to
months.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2
face=Arial>..................................................................................................<BR>Northern
Arizona Wind & Sun - Electricity From The Sun Since 1979<BR>Solar
Discussion Forum: <A href="http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/</A><BR>..................................................................................................</FONT></DIV>
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moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew Truitt</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic Watering</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Has anyone ever used the recombination caps that
combine the released hydrogen with oxygen and return the pure water to the
cells? I am considering them for a large ([98] 2200Ah Surrettes)
battery system that we installed a while ago, but I think they run about
$200 a piece. <BR><BR><BR>Andrew Truitt<BR>Standard Solar
Inc.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Joel Davidson
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net"
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wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Than you Roy, Jay, Jeff, and ...<BR><BR>I'm glad I
checked my email before going to Pep Boys to buy an automotive battery
filler. Great idea! I've been buying and selling batteries for over 35
years and this is the first time I've heard about using a garden sprayer
to fill batteries. The RE-Wrenches knowledge base scores
again!<BR><BR>Happy Holidays.<BR>Joel Davidson<BR><BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- From: "Roy Butler" <<A
href="mailto:roy@four-winds-energy.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">roy@four-winds-energy.com</A>>
<DIV class=im><BR>To: "RE-wrenches" <<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR></DIV>Sent:
Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:50 AM
<DIV class=im><BR>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic
Watering<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>Joel,<BR><BR>I was waiting to see if others use my method
but I didn't see anyone<BR>post it.<BR>I've been off grid and having to
maintain my batteries since 1997. I grew to<BR>hate the battery watering
jugs for several reasons and finally came up with<BR>something that
works for me.....your results may vary!<BR><BR>I now use a pump up type
garden sprayer. I use a 1.5 gallon version with a<BR>plastic wand, spray
tip removed. I pump it up 6-8 times and that pressure<BR>allows me to
fill 3 to 4 cells, depending on the volume of water needed.<BR><BR>What
I like about this is that the wand reaches anywhere in the bank
and<BR>most important, I can watch the cells fill. I put a piece of
electrical<BR>tape around<BR>the wand and insert the wand into the cell
to the tape level. This is my<BR>water<BR>level and it's really easy to
tell when the electrolyte reaches the end<BR>of the wand.<BR><BR>About
1/2 of my customers are off grid and most use the sprayer method
with<BR>good results.<BR><BR>BTW, this was a brand new sprayer,
dedicated to distilled water and hidden<BR>away from my wife, who loves
to grab what ever is available in my shop.<BR>And at<BR>least here in
snow country, the sprayers are all on sale!<BR><BR>Roy Butler<BR>NABCEP
Certified Solar PV Installer®<BR>NYSERDA eligible PV & wind
installer<BR>PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer<BR>Four Winds
Renewable Energy, LLC<BR>8902 Route 46<BR>Arkport, NY
14807<BR>607-324-9747<BR><BR><A href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">www.four-winds-energy.com</A><BR><BR>Although no
trees were killed in the sending of this message,<BR>a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Joel Davidson
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Wrenches,<BR><BR>Thank you for your feedback that
automatic watering is not automatic or reliable. Valves can stick open
(a flood) or shut (a dry cell) or not seat properly (dripping that
becomes a slow flood). I'll get a 2.5 quart watering can sold at auto
parts stores - unless you all have a better idea.<BR><BR>Thanks
again,<BR>Joel Davidson<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From:
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class=gmail_quote>Wrenches,<BR><BR>We installed 48 each IBE 1-85N-15
cells (24 in series in 2 Direct Power & Water battery boxes). We
do not want to use Hydrocaps. Your suggestions for an automatic
watering system would be most appreciated. Thanks in
advance.<BR><BR>Happy Holidays.<BR>Joel
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