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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I did have the valve covers off and cranked it over a few times,
as that was an easy check, all good there, valves, springs, rockers, push rods
all functioning fine, this motor is really clean w/ only 262 hours, and about
40 hours on the last oil change. I manually pushed on each valve to check
spring tension too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When I had the visible plug wire off, on the service side of the
motor, the engine actually ran pretty good. Then I unplugged the back side and
tried running it on the front side plug, it did sputter, but not run good. Then
with both plug wires installed it flat won’t sputter or run. This is a strange
test to do, I accidentally left the one side unplugged, and when it started and
ran good I thought the fresh spark plugs fixed the issue, cracked plug or?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Is it ok for me to call Carl directly today?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>dan@foxfire-energy.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler 8.5RES ignition glitch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>I beleive it's in the wireing compartment just above the AC
connections. I think it's a potted module with a few pots showing (to adjust
output) and the connectors. Maybe a status LED depending on vintage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Just got off the phone with Carl. (802-259-2775). He's telling me
that there are two coil modules that run off the flywheel on that unit. one for
each cylinder. (Besides the AC control module in the Wiring compartment).
He also tells me he doesn't think that's your problem, because you have spark
on both cylinders and fuel, and he's never had to replace one of the modules.
He suggest it's more likely a stuck valve. (Wrong oil? -- should be synthetic).
or a keeper came off. easy enough to check -- just pull the valve covers off
and see if the valve stems actually move and are intact. let us know what you
find? db<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dan Brown<br>
President<br>
Foxfire Energy Corp.<br>
Renewable Energy Systems<br>
(802)-483-2564<br>
www.Foxfire-Energy.com<br>
NABCEP #092907-44<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler 8.5RES ignition glitch<br>
From: "Chris Worcester" <chris@solarwindworks.com><br>
Date: Sun, November 29, 2009 1:49 pm<br>
To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Do you know where the ignition control module is located?</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Chris Worcester</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>Solar Wind Works<br>
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color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dan@foxfire-energy.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler 8.5RES ignition glitch</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sure sounds like a faulty ignition control issue. might be a poor
connection either at the module or at the crank angle sensor. I do have a call
in to me Kohler dude on your behalf. (I generally like to set up a xfer / Alt.
AC input source -- usually in conjunction with a j box out at the genny --
especially for me off grid folks. then when their genny goes south, they can
wheel up most any POC and get running again.) (John's idea) db<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
Dan Brown<br>
President<br>
Foxfire Energy Corp.<br>
Renewable Energy Systems<br>
(802)-483-2564<br>
www.Foxfire-Energy.com<br>
NABCEP #092907-44</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Original Message --------<br>
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Kohler 8.5RES ignition glitch<br>
From: "Chris Worcester" <chris@solarwindworks.com><br>
Date: Sun, November 29, 2009 11:47 am<br>
To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Hi Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Hope you’re all having a great Thanksgiving weekend! I have a
disabled off grid client with a vintage Sept. 2006 PV/Gen Hybrid system we
installed. The Kohler 8.5RES LPG has 262 hours on it. She called us letting me
know they had a power failure. After trouble shooting the system in a snow
storm, I’ve deduced the Kohler’s timing is not correct. We have spark on both
cylinders & put in fresh plugs just in case, 11” water column on the
propane, & it actually runs on one cylinder at a time. When both spark plug
wires are plugged in it won’t run. The battery is good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Kohler was closed Friday, we tried WA, CA, OR, WI, & CO for
tech support. Does anyone have a service manual for this unit? I believe it’s
the ignition control or possibly another part of the ignition that has failed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Any help or advice here will be greatly appreciated as always!
Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>Sincerely,<br>
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Chris Worcester</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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