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<div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> These inspectors were explaining to me that the feeder IS<br> the buss and 120%... and its really hard to explain the intent with the language of the paragraph. It needs to<br> be 2 separately described scenarios in my opinion, to avoid the constant misunderstanding.<br></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wow, I thought that was fairly clear: If its on the load side of the main disco, it comes under the 120% rule, and if its on the line side of the disco, it falls under the tap rule.</div><div>If they say to apply the 120% rule on the line side, then you'd have to look at the rating of the Utility's disco or the Kva rating of the transformer upstream. </div><div>Its probably fairly large, so 120% would leave plenty of room.</div><div>Oh,but then what, you have to subtract the neighbor's solar system back feed from the 120%? They're definitely misapplying the code here, IMO.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">It seems like these inspectors consider the "voiding the UL listing" is a dead wall conversation ender. I'm<br> almost willing to admit you are right, it is totally valid, which makes the point of .64 come into question.<br></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do see the inspectors point here, though. I had wondered before about Wrenches drilling and tapping into buss bars.</div><div>If you know what you're doing, you can make a great connection, but if you don't know about the alloy of the buss, or pay attention to the hole size relative to the buss thickness, you could cause trouble.</div><div>Wouldn't it be nice if we could get an extra certification/ license/ training that would allow us to do stuff like that?</div><div>We could call it the "Certified UL Assembly Molester" card.</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br>looks like someone involved here is buying a service upgrade. surprise!<br></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If its almost 50 years old like you say, it might be doing them a favor anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>Good Luck,</div><div><br></div><div>Ray</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, my house has 101 year old wiring, so we should all do our work like it's going to last for 7 generations. It just might.</div></div></body></html>