<div>Thanks Dave,</div>
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<div>Now we don't feel so left out.</div>
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<div>Everyone might want to notice that the temps are in centigrade, not Fahrenheit </div>
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<div>It is still off for this area, by a bunch on the cold side but i guess we just need to let common sense work and account of that.</div>
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<div>Last year the low was -39 in Watertown and colder in other areas that no one wants to put a weather station in....</div>
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<div>Tell me again why i live here?</div>
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<div>Later,</div>
<div>Bob</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Dave Click <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu">daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Good catch Bob, there seems to be a page missing from that table... this report from Bill's site has the complete table (at the end of the file, again).<br>
<br><a href="http://www.brooksolar.com/files/Expedited_Explanation-5-6-09.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.brooksolar.com/files/Expedited_Explanation-5-6-09.pdf</a>
<div class="im"><br><br>DKC<br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter<br></div>
<div class="im">From: robert ellison <<a href="mailto:reellison@gmail.com" target="_blank">reellison@gmail.com</a>><br>To: RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
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<div class="im">Date: 2009/11/18 11:01<br><br></div>
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<div class="im">My eyes must be bad, i just looked at the entire list 3 times and New York state is not on it anywhere.<br> I have see 48 below and just wanted to see what the averages ctually were.<br> Bob<br><br></div>
<div class="im">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Dave Click <<a href="mailto:daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu" target="_blank">daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu" target="_blank">daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br> Just a note here- rather than using the record lows, you can go back<br> to the future and use the ASHRAE minimum expected temperatures as<br> the 2011 NEC will allow explicitly. In the '08, it says to use the<br>
"lowest expected ambient temperature," for which the ASHRAE<br> temperatures are more appropriate than record lows. These ASHRAE<br> temps will be higher than the record lows and will add a little more<br>
cushion there at 600 VDC.<br><br> So where to get these temperatures? Starting on page 47:<br> <a href="http://www.solarabcs.org/permitting/Expermitprocess.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.solarabcs.org/permitting/Expermitprocess.pdf</a><br>
<br> Also, in case you didn't know, <a href="http://www.pvselect.com/" target="_blank">www.pvselect.com</a><br></div> <<a href="http://www.pvselect.com/" target="_blank">http://www.pvselect.com/</a>> is another option for string sizing that
<div class="im"><br> features multiple inverters and a 1 degree temperature step rather<br> than the 9 degree (F) temperature step on the SMA sizer. They have<br> the Kyocera KD130 in their database, but not the KC130.<br>
<br> DKC<br><br><br> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter<br> From: Brian Teitelbaum <<a href="mailto:bteitelbaum@aeesolar.com" target="_blank">bteitelbaum@aeesolar.com</a><br>
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<div class="h5"> <mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>><br> Date: 2009/11/18 01:34<br><br> Joel,<br> The SMA SWR2500U inverter has been a long discontinued model.<br>
If you want to use an SMA inverter, go to the SMA website to use<br> their excellent sizing program. Plug in the module, and your<br> record minimum and average maximum temps for the site, and look<br> for a current model inverter that will work. All of the "U"<br>
series inverters (except for the 700U) are discontinued models,<br> and the "US" series are the current models.<br> If your min temp is not below 14⁰F, it looks like you can use<br> all 24 in one series string with the 4000US inverter, but that<br>
gets you awfully close to 600VDC (595VDC) at 14⁰F. You might<br> want to play it safe and drop one of the modules. Unfortunately,<br> none of the SMA inverters will operate with only 12 modules in a<br>
string (with two strings). However, a Fronius IG-3000 will, so<br> you might want to go with that, although it has a lower efficiency.<br> Brian Teitelbaum<br> AEE Solar<br> -----Original Message-----<br>
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