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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Yes, the 3rd-part labs determine the temp coefficients.<BR>
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>From the “PV Module Eligibility Procedure” PDF on gosolarcalifornia.org:<BR>
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“</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>The process for adding PV modules to the SB1 list is as follows: </SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">1.</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">The manufacturer gets their product certified to UL 1703. UL, CSA, and Intertek are the </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">NRTLs who can currently perform this testing. </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">2.</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">The manufacturer gets additional performance parameter testing completed by an </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">ILAC-affiliated laboratory as listed above. Detailed information on the tests can be </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">found on the equipment request form in Step 3. The additional performance parameter <BR>
testing required is shown below: </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">Crystalline modules </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">IEC 61215 Sections:</FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">10.2 Maximum Power Determination </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">10.4 Measurement of Temperature Coefficients </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">10.5 Measurement of NOCT </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">10.6 Performance at STC and NOCT </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">10.7 Performance at Low Irradiance </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">3.</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">The manufacturer fills out the Energy Commission equipment application form, found </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">here: <a href="http://">http://</a>gosolarcalifornia.org/equipment/documents/EQUIPMENT_REQUEST.DOC </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">4.</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">The manufacturer emails a copy of the UL 1703 Certification Letter, the ILAC laboratory </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">test report, and the Energy Commission equipment application form to Daria Mashnik. </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">All documentation must be in English – KEMA will reject any test reports that are not </FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">in English.”<BR>
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On 9/30/09 10:28 AM, "jay peltz" <<a href="jay@asis.com">jay@asis.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Hi David,<BR>
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Yes I saw the piece in the new SolarPro.<BR>
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Do you know if they are also testing for temp derating, or are we still going to be using the manufacturers % loss's?<BR>
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thanks,<BR>
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jay<BR>
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peltz power<BR>
On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:59 AM, David Brearley wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'> Jay,<BR>
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According to Pat Saxon at the California Energy Commission, the list of approved test facilities currently include: CSA, Intertek (ETL) and UL. TUV Rheinland of North America is in the process of expanding their scope to include this testing. The testing performed includes portions, but not all, of IEC 61215 (for c-SI) and IEC 61646 (for thin film). The nominal operating cell temperature (NOCT) and the temperature coefficient of power measurements reported from these third party testing laboratories are now used to derive the PTC ratings for CEC eligible modules. That’s basically the change; previously these values were self-reported by the manufacturers, generally optimistically.<BR>
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A section in one of our feature articles, a recent Q&A response and a letter in our Mail department cover aspects of the new testing. If you would like me to send you links or PDFs to these sources just contact me offline.<BR>
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On 9/29/09 10:30 PM, "jay peltz" <<a href="jay@asis.com">jay@asis.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#0000FF">> HI All,<BR>
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> I"m wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV <BR>
> testing for california?<BR>
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> And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling.<BR>
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> thanks,<BR>
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> jay<BR>
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> peltz power<BR>
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