To piggy-back on the question, and also continue my "grounding on a glacier" question is anyone familiar with point dissipators and have used them. Todd mentioned Nott LTD <font face="arial" size="4"><a href="http://www.nottltd.com/lightning.html" target="_blank">http://www.nottltd.com/lightning.html</a></font> in my last string and I have come acrooss Lightning Masters <a href="http://www.lightningmaster.com/index.html">http://www.lightningmaster.com/index.html</a> Both I believe use some form of point dissipation. They are suppose to take ambient static buildup and dissipate it slower at high voltage levels keeping the current and damage to equipment at a minimum. Have anyone of you used these systems, or know much about using them on an array, glacier, spaceship, marmot, midget, motorhome, or the like?<br>
<br>Jay<br><br>Jay Pozner<br>Nunatak Alternative Energy Solutions<br>Crested Butte, CO<br>970 349-3432<br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Exeltech <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:exeltech@yahoo.com" target="_blank">exeltech@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Jay,<br>
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Installing a part in a "factory" doesn't make a product "ok". Would be nice, but it doesn't work that way...<br>
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I use "UL" here .. but it can be any Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (ETL, CSA, UL, etc....)<br>
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Any UL "Listed" product, or any UL "Recognized" part or sub-assembly must either use components that in of themselves are also Listed and/or Recognized to specific UL Standards, or prove during UL testing of the final product that any uncertified component(s) used within the product being tested fully meet the applicable Standard(s) for such parts.<br>
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Failing that, the unit in question won't qualify for Listing/Recognition, and no UL (or equivalent lab) certification will be issued for that product by any Nationally Recognized Testing Lab. UL. ETL. CSA. etc...<br>
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Just as all grounding components in a system must meet code, which requires the use of agency certified parts .. use of a non-certified part as a protective element is likely to get the system red-tagged, as Holt pointed out earlier in this thread.<br>
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For notes .. not everyone is aware that "agency certification" refers to UL, ETL, CSA, and a number of other OSHA-certified Nationally Recognized Testing Labs. Product approvals from any of these labs are equivalent, though they're not always treated as such by AHJs or others who aren't well informed on this issue. Thankfully, the "It must be UL" attitude by AHJs and others is steadily fading as an issue. Not gone - but fading...<br>
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Dan<br>
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--- On Sat, 8/1/09, jay peltz <<a href="mailto:jay@asis.com" target="_blank">jay@asis.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Sure, if you install something electrical that is not UL,<br>
> they can fail it. Even though that same part installed<br>
> in a "factory" is OK.<br>
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> jay<br>
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