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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What everyone’s failed to mention
but I suspect we all know is that it’s impossible to teach common sense.
With out common sense all the training in the world is not going to prepare you
for installing a PV system. It’s like the manufacturers actually try
to make their manuals as complex as possible. Often referring to features
that aren’t there and software revisions that are many times different
then product you just hung on the wall. Some of these manuals are so bad
that if you do exactly what they say you could let the factory smoke out of the
product. I’m speaking mainly of battery based type products and
wind turbines. That’s where common sense steps in says “whoa,
stop, this ain’t right”. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve seen DIY’ers with a lot more
common sense then many “professionals” plus they really have an
investment in the success of their own system. Still, I don’t
supply product to DIY’ers because in general it’s a really bad idea
on many levels.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Travis Creswell<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ozark Energy Services<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>R. Walters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 19, 2009 4:40
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName>] Solar Installers Education</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>HI Peter;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>First I agree with almost everything you said. However, I think you
took Joel's DIY comment out of context. What he and I are saying, is that we
both have customers that are more knowledgeable than many of the
"Professional" installers/ designers/ sales people we are seeing in
today's market. I was recently at a solar meeting where 25 out of the 30 people
in the room had been in the business for less than a year. These guys are
running around today doing site evaluations, design quotes on the spot, etc.
Very scary. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Neither Joel nor I are saying DIY guys are qualified, but we are saying
we know a few that are closer than these rooms full of newbies. Professional
should mean "dedicated one's career to this field" but right now,
"professional" just means working for money.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Also once someone has some minimum qualifications to
actually start working in this field on their own (ie,
licensed electrician with extensive solar training), shouldn't their first solo job be on their own house,
not someone else's?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Almost everyone on this list went into solar because we knew it was the
right thing to do, but that paradigm is changing very fast to "this is the
next way to make a fast buck". I'm very discouraged that we can't do more
to change that. As Marco mentioned: </span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color="#2c4a7a"><span style='font-size:
11.5pt;color:#2C4A7A'>it’s inevitable that a serious fire, injury, or
death due to incompetence is gonna whack us all over the head soon.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'>It will hurt our industry, but then maybe we can get back on the track
of true professionalism that this list and all of you represent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'>R. Walters<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'>Solarray.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'>NABCEP # 04170442<span class=apple-style-span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:43 AM, Peter Parrish wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Joel,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As a friend,
I have enjoyed your perspectives on our business, even though I usually
don’t agree with everything you say. I have never taken you to task in a
public forum, but I can’t let your latest post go without comment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There is a
reason we call these guys DIYs. They have no experience and limited knowledge;
in other words they are not professionals. And, by the way, what do you mean by
“so-called professional”. I can’t believe you tell some one
who wants to get into the solar business to first put one on their home as a
DIY. Could you in good conscience recommend someone who has never stepped foot
on a roof in their lives to spend a week on one in 90-100 degree weather, in
physical contact with modules and other components that are cooking at 145 degrees,
and DC voltages approaching 600 V? Squinting at a layout/schematic the likes of
which they have never seen before? Someone who hasn’t used anything more
than an 8 ft step ladder or doesn’t know what a safety harness is?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You also
oversimplify: an appropriate apprenticeship for an installer is not the same as
that for a design engineer or a salesperson.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You
don’t need to have installed the PV system you own to appreciate how it
works…</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am
personally aware of three DIY solar projects as well as a dozen or so
contractor-installed systems that we have been called out to troubleshoot and
fix. Even the best DIY project was worse than worst contractor-installed job. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>All,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>But here is
my main point. I have a pretty good test of what is key in this PV business of
ours. I get a call at least once a week from some one who wants me to
“help them with a PV installation”. In addition to DIYs, I get
these calls from B and C-10 contractors, facilities managers, apartment owners,
and the like. They will take care of [fill in the part that they think they
have covered] and they only need help with [fill in the part they need help
on].</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>They usually
have spent some time on the internet and have an idea of what modules to use
and have teased a quote out of a manufacturer or distributor for “5-50
kW” of PV; they usually have some un(der)employed electricians who can
read a blueprint, bend and hang conduit and pull wire.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What they
don’t know is how to </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(1)</span></font><font size=1><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Specify an
appropriately sized system</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(2)</span></font><font size=1><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Design a system
(panel orientation, shading, structural calcs, string sizing, ampacity calcs,
over current protection, grounding), </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(3)</span></font><font size=1><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Specify all the
speciality BoS components or where to buy them.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(4)</span></font><font size=1><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Put together a
permit package (that will pass ARB, Planning, Safety and Fire department
muster)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(5)</span></font><font size=1><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Perform the
mechanical side of the installation (read roof penetrations)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>They usually
know about the 30% ITC (or grant) but they just need a little help with the
rebate application, which usually means they have some un(der) employed back
office folks as well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So for me it
boils down to (1) Performance-optimized, Code-compliant Design (Bill Brooks,
are you listening?), (2) Plans & Permitting and (3) Mechanical Installation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Moreover,
what they usually have in the back of their mind is to buy this expertise once
from us and then do it all themselves from then on. Some have audacity to use
the phrase “I’d like to pick your mind”. Can you imagine
that?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I second the
comment about off-grid, and even though we install grid-tied, battery back-up
systems a fair amount – I still don’t pretend to understand the
complete off-grid scenario well enough to properly design one.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>- Peter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><image003.gif></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President<br>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>
Solar Engineering, Inc.<br>
<st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">820 Cynthia Ave.</st1:Street>, <st1:City
w:st="on">Los Angeles</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">CA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">90065</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><br>
CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<br>
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style='color:navy'>peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</span></font></a> <br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joel Davidson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:50
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName>] Solar Installers Education</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
agree. I have DIY customers who know more about PV systems than a lot of
so-called PV professionals. Designing and installing PV systems is a
continuous learning experience. We are practitioners because,
like doctors, we practice our trade, expand our knowledge,
and hone our skills. I tell people who wants to get in the
PV business to put a PV system on their own
home. People who tell me that they want to sell PV but
can not go solar personally for whatever reason have less
credibility. They get less respect from prospective customers who
use the same reasons or excuses for not going solar. They either
don't last long in the business or are in it only for the money. Granted, there
are less operational nuances to a batteryless, grid-tied PV system than a
battery-based system or wind or water generator, but living with your work
is essential. It makes you keenly aware of unique subtleties and helps you
better understand your customers concerns.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:walters@taosnet.com" title="walters@taosnet.com">R. Walters</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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I can't imagine them being able to do anything other than schlep modules/ do
grunt work for a couple of years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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concentrate there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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at 9:44 AM, Keith Cronin wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi gang<br>
<br>
I was wondering, what percentage do you believe represents the ratio of
classroom training to field training for PV and what percentage you believe
should be performed by licensed electricians vs what is deemed mechanical work?<br>
<br>
Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom- electrician<br>
___% field- electrician<br>
<br>
Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom- mechanical<br>
___% field- mechanical<br>
<br>
Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom-electrician<br>
___% field-electrician<br>
<br>
Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom-mechanical<br>
___% field-mechanical<br>
<br>
Residential GT with batteries<br>
____% classroom-electrician<br>
____% field-electrician<br>
<br>
Residential GT with batteries<br>
____% classroom-mechanical<br>
____% field-mechanical<br>
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Any takers on the off grid market percentages?<br>
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Commercial w/ batteries is utility scale and I don't think it can be quantified
today as the projects are generally design build and perhaps hard to put an
exact # on these.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Keith<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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