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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Joel,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As a friend, I have enjoyed your perspectives on our
business, even though I usually don’t agree with everything you say. I
have never taken you to task in a public forum, but I can’t let your
latest post go without comment.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There is a reason we call these guys DIYs. They have no experience
and limited knowledge; in other words they are not professionals. And, by the
way, what do you mean by “so-called professional”. I can’t believe
you tell some one who wants to get into the solar business to first put one on
their home as a DIY. Could you in good conscience recommend someone who has
never stepped foot on a roof in their lives to spend a week on one in 90-100
degree weather, in physical contact with modules and other components that are
cooking at 145 degrees, and DC voltages approaching 600 V? Squinting at a layout/schematic
the likes of which they have never seen before? Someone who hasn’t used
anything more than an 8 ft step ladder or doesn’t know what a safety
harness is?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You also oversimplify: an appropriate apprenticeship for an
installer is not the same as that for a design engineer or a salesperson.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You don’t need to have installed the PV system you own
to appreciate how it works…</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am personally aware of three DIY solar projects as well as
a dozen or so contractor-installed systems that we have been called out to troubleshoot
and fix. Even the best DIY project was worse than worst contractor-installed
job. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>All,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>But here is my main point. I have a pretty good test of what
is key in this PV business of ours. I get a call at least once a week from some
one who wants me to “help them with a PV installation”. In addition
to DIYs, I get these calls from B and C-10 contractors, facilities managers,
apartment owners, and the like. They will take care of [fill in the part that
they think they have covered] and they only need help with [fill in the part
they need help on].</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>They usually have spent some time on the internet and have an
idea of what modules to use and have teased a quote out of a manufacturer or distributor
for “5-50 kW” of PV; they usually have some un(der)employed
electricians who can read a blueprint, bend and hang conduit and pull wire.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What they don’t know is how to </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(1)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Specify an appropriately sized system</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(2)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Design a system (panel orientation, shading, structural
calcs, string sizing, ampacity calcs, over current protection, grounding), </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(3)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Specify all the speciality BoS components or where to
buy them.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(4)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Put together a permit package (that will pass ARB, Planning,
Safety and Fire department muster)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(5)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Perform the mechanical side of the installation (read
roof penetrations)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>They usually know about the 30% ITC (or grant) but they just
need a little help with the rebate application, which usually means they have
some un(der) employed back office folks as well.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>So for me it boils down to (1) Performance-optimized, Code-compliant
Design (Bill Brooks, are you listening?), (2) Plans & Permitting and (3)
Mechanical Installation</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Moreover, what they usually have in the back of their mind
is to buy this expertise once from us and then do it all themselves from then
on. Some have audacity to use the phrase “I’d like to pick your
mind”. Can you imagine that?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I second the comment about off-grid, and even though we
install grid-tied, battery back-up systems a fair amount – I still don’t
pretend to understand the complete off-grid scenario well enough to properly design
one.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Regards,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>- Peter</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><img width=67 height=80
src="cid:image003.gif@01CA0855.4E7E41A0" align=left hspace=12><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President<br>
California Solar Engineering, Inc.<br>
820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065<br>
CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<br>
<a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com"><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</span></font></a> <br>
Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax
323-258-8885
</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joel Davidson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:50
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar
Installers Education</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I agree. I have DIY customers who know more about PV
systems than a lot of so-called PV professionals. Designing and installing PV
systems is a continuous learning experience. We
are practitioners because, like doctors, we practice our trade,
expand our knowledge, and hone our skills. I
tell people who wants to get in the PV business to put a PV system
on their own home. People who tell me
that they want to sell PV but can not go solar personally for
whatever reason have less credibility. They get less respect
from prospective customers who use the same reasons or excuses for
not going solar. They either don't last long in the business or are in it
only for the money. Granted, there are less operational nuances to a
batteryless, grid-tied PV system than a battery-based system or wind or
water generator, but living with your work is essential. It makes you keenly
aware of unique subtleties and helps you better understand your customers
concerns.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Joel Davidson</span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:walters@taosnet.com" title="walters@taosnet.com">R. Walters</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday, July 18,
2009 12:05 AM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Solar Installers Education</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For Off grid, no one should even attempt being a designer/ installer
without living for a full year on their own off grid system. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>GT w/ batteries, you need off grid smarts and understand GT.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Training newbies, I can't imagine them being able to do anything other
than schlep modules/ do grunt work for a couple of years.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I could see a licensed electrician with a year of full time training
being able to do GT w/o batteries.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Most of the market and all the growth is in the GT w/o batteries, so I
think your training should concentrate there.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I've taught a semester long PV class, and all I was able to do was
create well educated consumers.</span></font></p>
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I was wondering, what percentage do you believe represents the ratio of
classroom training to field training for PV and what percentage you believe
should be performed by licensed electricians vs what is deemed mechanical work?<br>
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Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom- electrician<br>
___% field- electrician<br>
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Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom- mechanical<br>
___% field- mechanical<br>
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Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom-electrician<br>
___% field-electrician<br>
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Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>
___% classroom-mechanical<br>
___% field-mechanical<br>
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Residential GT with batteries<br>
____% classroom-electrician<br>
____% field-electrician<br>
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Residential GT with batteries<br>
____% classroom-mechanical<br>
____% field-mechanical<br>
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Any takers on the off grid market percentages?<br>
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Commercial w/ batteries is utility scale and I don't think it can be quantified
today as the projects are generally design build and perhaps hard to put an
exact # on these.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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