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-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">Jonathan Hill, solar applications engineer</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><b>Sierra Solar Systems</b></div><div>563C Idaho Maryland Road</div><div>Grass Valley, CA 95945</div><div>Celebrating our 29th year in solar!</div><div><b>Voted Best Solar Company 3 times by the readers of the Grass Valley Union</b></div><div>tech info and foreign orders: (530) 273-6754 </div><div>order line: (888) ON-SOLAR (US only) FAX: (530) 273-1760</div><div>e-mail: <<a href="mailto:solarjon@sierrasolar.com">mailto:solarjon@sierrasolar.com</a>></div><div>world wide web: <<a href="http://www.sierrasolar.com">http://www.sierrasolar.com</a>></div><div><div><b>Check out our new 2 minute video at: <a href="http://www.sierrasolar.com/articles.php?article_id=42">http://www.sierrasolar.com/articles.php?article_id=42</a> </b></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span></span><span><img height="50" width="353" src="cid:822514723@19022009-0502"></span> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></font></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></span></div><br><div><div>On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Joel Davidson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I agree. I have DIY customers who know more about PV systems than a lot of so-called PV professionals. Designing and installing PV systems is a continuous learning experience. We are practitioners because, like doctors, we practice our trade, expand our knowledge, and hone our skills. I tell people who wants to get in the PV business to put a PV system on their own home. People who tell me that they want to sell PV but can not go solar personally for whatever reason have less credibility. They get less respect from prospective customers who use the same reasons or excuses for not going solar. They either don't last long in the business or are in it only for the money. Granted, there are less operational nuances to a batteryless, grid-tied PV system than a battery-based system or wind or water generator, but living with your work is essential. It makes you keenly aware of unique subtleties and helps you better understand your customers concerns.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Joel Davidson</font></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="walters@taosnet.com" href="mailto:walters@taosnet.com">R. Walters</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:05 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Education</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>For Off grid, no one should even attempt being a designer/ installer without living for a full year on their own off grid system. </div><div>GT w/ batteries, you need off grid smarts and understand GT.</div><div>Training newbies, I can't imagine them being able to do anything other than schlep modules/ do grunt work for a couple of years.</div><div>I could see a licensed electrician with a year of full time training being able to do GT w/o batteries.</div><div>Most of the market and all the growth is in the GT w/o batteries, so I think your training should concentrate there.</div><div>I've taught a semester long PV class, and all I was able to do was create well educated consumers.</div><div><br></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><div>R. Walters</div><div>Solarray.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "></span></div><div>NABCEP # 04170442<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><br><div><div>On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Keith Cronin wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div>Hi gang<br><br>I was wondering, what percentage do you believe represents the ratio of classroom training to field training for PV and what percentage you believe should be performed by licensed electricians vs what is deemed mechanical work?<br><br>Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>___% classroom- electrician<br>___% field- electrician<br><br>Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>___% classroom- mechanical<br>___% field- mechanical<br><br>Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>___% classroom-electrician<br>___% field-electrician<br><br>Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries<br>___% classroom-mechanical<br>___% field-mechanical<br><br>Residential GT with batteries<br>____% classroom-electrician<br>____% field-electrician<br><br>Residential GT with batteries<br>____% classroom-mechanical<br>____% field-mechanical<br><br>Any takers on the off grid market percentages?<br><br>Commercial w/ batteries is utility scale and I don't think it can be quantified today as the projects are generally design build and perhaps hard to put an exact # on these.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Keith<br></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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