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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Using PSF for a solar array
can be a little misleading. With your example with 3.3 psf and a worse case
down force wind load of 29 psf we exert a total of 32.3 psf on the 300 ft2 array
for 9690lbs total, or 323lbs per attachment. This may not seem bad as basic 90
mph wind on 15 ft high building, but know put 4 or 5 attachments on the same structural
member and now that member is carrying 1292 – 1615 lbs. This is not an evenly
distributed load but multiple point loads. Will it crash a common house? No,
but it does point out a distributed load can be miss leading. Using this lets
say the installer spreads the attachment spacing out from 4’ to 8’.
The point load will double and if he does not stager the attachments from rail
to rail the point loads will now be on less structural members increasing the
member loads into 2584 – 3230lbs. All these options are still based on
3.3 psf array load at a 300 ft2 array. Now think of other point loads the
building may have, HVAC and other mechanical equipment the closer we get to
those the more we point loads can add up. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As a general rule I do not worry much
about this, but as you move into higher wind and snow loads this can really
become an issue; even if the roof can handle the load using a PSF type rating,
the point loads can be very surprising. The dead load of the array is normally
not the primary concern. It is the live load of wind, dead load of snow and the
array that can step up and get us in some rare circumstance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In my limited dealings with inspectors
some seem to realize this so they want to see that the structure can handle these
point loads. In other locations they seem to accept that if the loads are
500lbs or less then it will be ok, but go above this and they want engineering.
Or they do not even care or think about it at all. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>wes kennedy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 10, 2009 11:45
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof
Loading request for help</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi All,<br>
<br>
I am fully in favor of standardized permitting, and streamlining the process
of installing PV. With that said, I do think the "one layer of
shingles = PV on roof thing" is apples and oranges. Though the
deadloading in psf is similar, PV doesn't sit on the roof, it lands on some
sort of attachment, standoff, l-foot, what-have-you.<br>
<br>
This leads to pretty <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">high point</st1:place></st1:City>
loading values, doesn't it? If you spread your 1000 lb array around 300
square feet, you get your 3.3 psf, BUT if it lands on 30 L feet, each of 4
square inches you end up with much higher points of concentrated loading.<br>
<br>
Anybody worry about that? <br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Wes Kennedy<br>
NABCEPian<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Tue, 7/7/09, Joel Davidson <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net></span></i></span></b>
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From: Joel Davidson <joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net><br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof Loading request for help<br>
To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 7:13 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In most of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>
(seismic zone 4) residential PV systems with solar arrays weighing less than
4 lb/ft2 do not require structural engineering if the roof has one layer of
composition shingles. The reasoning is that roofs are allowed 2 layers of
shingles (old set and re-roof set) and a layer of shingles weighs 4
lb/ft2 so 1 shingle layer and 1 solar array weighing less than 4 lb/ft2 is
within the dead weight load limit. Hope this helps.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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href="/mc/compose?to=allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank"
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ymailto="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><u><font color=blue><span
style='color:blue'>Allan Sindelar</span></font></u></a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [RE-wrenches]
Roof Loading request for help<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>We are
currently facing a city permitting bureaucracy that has recently discovered
solar – that is, suddenly each department in the permitting and plan
review departments is coming up with standards for PV systems. Some of the
standards, of course, make no sense. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>PV systems
typically add about three pounds per square foot to the loading on a roof. We
are facing a city requirement for structural engineering work for
standard roof attachment if the mounting approach is to make penetrations
into the roof structure. This is a typical requirement that will only add
considerable cost to each PV system, and we’re looking to have our
ammunition to fight this well stocked in advance. Specifically, are building
authorities in other jurisdictions requiring structural
engineering work for this type of roof attachment?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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