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I quit selling Staber, as they changed the design substantially over the years. The last one I had would NOT run reliably on a Xantrex SW+ Inverter. Kept smoking circuit boards. The days of a Staber running off a Trace U612 are long gone. (I guess they went to the same dinosaur land that the old Kohler gennys and decent profit margins went)<div>To your list of possible causes, you should add: </div><div>7) Staber has become a finicky appliance that will drive an honest solar installer crazy.<br><div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>Ray Walters</div><div>Solarray.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span></div><div>NABCEP # 04170442<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span> </div><br><div><div>On Jun 18, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jeff,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I have not yet tested the surge in this application. However, I have a Staber in my own home as well. My little Xantrex SW+2524 runs it effortlessly, even while the toaster and microwave are both running (breakfast is laundry time). I believe that the Staber actually uses a rectified DC drive motor, to achieve reversal of direction and variable speed control. I don’t believe it has much surge – remember, it found its way into the off-grid market because it could run on smaller, mod-square mid-1990s inverters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thank you for all the responses. It is clear to me that there are a whole range of possible causes, and no certainty. My main suspicions are: 1. Bad AC GFCI at the washer; 2. Bad system ground; 3. My installer error in leaving a loose terminal or cable crimp; 4. intermittent short from mouse-chewed conductors or power cord; 5. bad AC board in FX2524T inverter (one Wrench suggested this from experience off-list); 6. failure in Staber control board. That’s a lot of options, I know. When I finally go there and fix it (hopefully), I’ll post what I learn.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Allan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Allan Sindelar<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">EE98J Journeyman Electrician</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Positive Energy, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">3201 Calle Marie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Santa Fe</span></font></st1:city><font color="black"><span style="color:black">, <st1:state w:st="on">New Mexico</st1:state> <st1:postalcode w:st="on">87507</st1:postalcode></span></font></st1:place><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">505 424-1112<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com">www.positiveenergysolar.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jeff Oldham<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:44 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] DR>FX Compatibility Problem</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Not sure if anyone offered this already - The DR will do a 5 sec. surge to 6200W the Outback will do a 5 sec. surge to 4800W. This is common, most mod's will surge considerable more than Sine's, that is the big trade off other than power quality and tare losses. In addition I'm very skeptical that the Staber only surges to 11A, have you measured the actual surge? When I replaced my good 'ol Trace 2512 (too many appliances disliked the mod. sine) and went to a Magnum 2812 my washer would kick it out as my washer surged to 31A and the Mag. would do 30! This is a modern Horz. axis machine. I now have the Magnum and a new Vanner ITC 12-3200W that does a 3 sec. surge to 6400W and will even run my wire welder and air compressor, both used to be genny only loads.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">-jeff o<br> <br> <br> >From the Solar, Wind and Hydro powered office of Jeff Oldham/Regenerative SOLutions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <font face="Times-New-Roman" size="2"><br><br>____________________________________________________________ <br><a href="http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2132/fc/BLSrjnsO5rqs0XFce7Kv5he9my9wladhhKmoLFHmZR1NYtfaefo7OuBa2XW/" target="_blank">Save on Moving Supplies. 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