<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hey Peter,<div>When you said it was "news to you" I thought you meant there are other modules that you know of that can be mounted on the short end. <div><br></div><div>I thought of another situation where this caused a somewhat related problem. A few years ago I did my first Kaneka install. I had Unirac spec a ground mount for 7.2kW. They designed the system wrong which put the top down clamps on the top and bottom of the module frames which are not structural. I thought I could just rotate the modules so the sides would be on the rails but you can't do that. If any tiny amount of mud, dust, debris accumulates on the side edge of a Kaneka module, you will have a complete shut down. Also, there is a water channel that must be at the bottom. </div><div><br></div><div>Sorry to hijack the thread but I thought of this since we were talking about mounting issues.</div><div><br></div><div>Larry<br><div><br><div><div>On Jun 15, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Peter Parrish wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Sans'; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Sorry, I can’t answer that one, Larry. All I know for sure is the BP Solar situation. - Peter</span></font></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><br clear="ALL"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><span><image001.gif></span><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: navy; ">Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President<br>California Solar Engineering, Inc.<br>820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065<br>CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<br><a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 </span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, June 15, 2009 3:05 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Separated frames on BP modules</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Hi Peter,</span></font></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Other than Sanyo, what PV panels use the short end for structural support? I ran in to this issue years ago when a customer drilled holes in the end of a Kyocera module to mount it. No warranty!</span></font></div></div><div><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; "><div apple-content-edited="true"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; "> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; "> </span></font></p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">Larry Crutcher</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">Starlight Solar</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">(928) 941-1660</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">Renewable Energy Products, Service and Installation</span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; "> </span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span> </font></p><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Jun 15, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Peter Parrish wrote:</span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br></span></font></div><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; "><div link="blue" vlink="blue" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Well Nick, the cat’s out the bag on this one. And I would encourage you and Andrew to give this issue wide distribution. As long as you both stick to the facts and keep your phasors on stun.</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">As integrators we need to know the technical details of warranties. It would be exceedingly painful if our company had to eat the cost of a 17 kW install!</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Here is one more factoid that I would like to throw into the mix. Vance Lindsay of BP Solar, a very solid individual with lots of experience on the installation side, has brought to our attention the fact that BP Solar module cannot be attached via their SHORT DIMENSION. This was news to us, and Vance said that such an attachment scheme would void the BP Solar Warranty.</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Let’s keep the information flowing.</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Best regards,</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">- Peter</span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><image002.gif></span></font><font size="1" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President<br>California Solar Engineering, Inc.<br>820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065<br>CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<br><a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: navy; "> </span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> </span></font></span><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Nick Lucchese<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, June 15, 2009 10:11 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Separated frames on BP modules</span></font></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Oops, this was supposed just go to Andrew.</span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Nick</span></font></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Nick Lucchese wrote:</span></font></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sorry to hear about the BP problems Andrew. For what it's worth you can tell BP that your story just solidified another wrench's reason to never sell any of their modules ever again.</span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Hope you get the customer service you deserve,</span></font></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; 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font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">Nick A Lucchese</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">NABCEP Certified PV Installer</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">Planet Home</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">General Contractor # 808851</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">Sierra Solar Systems</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">563C Idaho Maryland Road</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">Grass Valley, CA 95945</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">tech info and foreign orders: (530) 273-6754</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: black; ">order line: (800) 51-SOLAR (US only) FAX: (530) 273-1760</span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 6pt; 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margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p></div></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span> </font></p><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:22 AM, Andrew Truitt wrote:</span></font></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br>Greetings wrenches! We recently did a small commercial system (17 kW) using BP-SX 3175 modules and the Unirac RapidRac ballasted mounting system. The flat roof is ballasted with 2" of gravel that we smoothed as much as possible but undulations are visible in the array, though the changes are never more than 5 degrees from module to module. After about 3 months the cusotmer noticed a problem developing with 1/3 of the modules: the interior of the module (backsheet, cells and glazing) were separating from the aluminum frame! Remnants of the black, rubbery adhesive are clearly visible on the inside of the frame and on the edge of the backsheet/cell/glazing sandwich. It seems clear to us and that the adhesive simply failed and should be covered under the 5 year workmanship warranty, but BP does not agree. BP is saying that the modules are supposed to be mounted with a solid member spaning the width of the module and since the RapidRac supports the module on what amounts to 4 individual stanchions, the workmanship warraty is null and void. The mounting instructions, however, say nothing about requiring a solid member spaning the module.<br><br>Has anyone else had this issue with BP or any other types of modules? Does anyone buy that it could be the fault of the RapidRac? We unbolted a few of the bad modules to see if the frame was exerting any torque but the neither the module not the frame moved - we set the module back on the frame and the mounting holes lined up perfectly as before.<br><br><br>Thoughts or suggestions?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Gotta' love these long sunny days!<br><br><br>Andrew Truitt<br>Standard Solar Inc.<br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>"Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. 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