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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Most solar module designers have no field
experience. Some design solar module long-rail angle or channel frames that
bow unless you fasten them to the mounting structure with 4
bolts (2 per long-rail) in factory-drilled mounting
holes. Some long rails are so weak that they bow under the module's
own weight if you just lift the module by the long rail. Solec
modules had a tube-frame that was the strongest in the industry, but I
don't recommend Solec type frames. They were over-built
and required threaded inserts and a special insert tool if you
wanted make your own mounting holes (which you were allowed to do without
voiding the warranty). There is no reason for poorly designed and weak
angle or channel frame extrusions. A strong frame gives
installers the freedom to drill their own mounting holes in both the long
and short rails.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Joel Davidson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=peter.parrish@calsolareng.com
href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">Peter Parrish</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">'RE-wrenches'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=will.logan@calsolareng.com
href="mailto:will.logan@calsolareng.com">Will Logan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:57 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Separated
frames on BP modules</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Well Nick, the cat’s
out the bag on this one. And I would encourage you and Andrew to give this
issue wide distribution. As long as you both stick to the facts and keep your
phasors on stun.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As integrators we
need to know the technical details of warranties. It would be exceedingly
painful if our company had to eat the cost of a 17 kW
install!</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Here is one more
factoid that I would like to throw into the mix. Vance Lindsay of BP Solar, a
very solid individual with lots of experience on the installation side, has
brought to our attention the fact that BP Solar module cannot be attached via
their SHORT DIMENSION. This was news to us, and Vance said that such an
attachment scheme would void the BP Solar Warranty.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Let’s keep the
information flowing.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best
regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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Peter</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><IMG hspace=12 align=left
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color=navy size=1 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Peter T. Parrish,
Ph.D., President<BR>California Solar Engineering, Inc.<BR>820 Cynthia Ave.,
Los Angeles, CA 90065<BR>CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<BR><A
href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</A>
<BR>Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax
323-258-8885 </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Nick Lucchese<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 15, 2009 10:11
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
RE-wrenches<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[RE-wrenches] Separated frames on BP modules</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Oops, this was supposed just go to
Andrew.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Nick Lucchese
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sorry to hear about the BP problems Andrew. For what
it's worth you can tell BP that your story just solidified another wrench's
reason to never sell any of their modules ever again.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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We recently did a small commercial system (17 kW) using BP-SX 3175 modules and
the Unirac RapidRac ballasted mounting system. The flat roof is ballasted with
2" of gravel that we smoothed as much as possible but undulations are visible
in the array, though the changes are never more than 5 degrees from module to
module. After about 3 months the cusotmer noticed a problem developing with
1/3 of the modules: the interior of the module (backsheet, cells and glazing)
were separating from the aluminum frame! Remnants of the black, rubbery
adhesive are clearly visible on the inside of the frame and on the edge of the
backsheet/cell/glazing sandwich. It seems clear to us and that the adhesive
simply failed and should be covered under the 5 year workmanship warranty, but
BP does not agree. BP is saying that the modules are supposed to be mounted
with a solid member spaning the width of the module and since the RapidRac
supports the module on what amounts to 4 individual stanchions, the
workmanship warraty is null and void. The mounting instructions, however, say
nothing about requiring a solid member spaning the module.<BR><BR>Has anyone
else had this issue with BP or any other types of modules? Does anyone buy
that it could be the fault of the RapidRac? We unbolted a few of the bad
modules to see if the frame was exerting any torque but the neither the module
not the frame moved - we set the module back on the frame and the mounting
holes lined up perfectly as before.<BR><BR><BR>Thoughts or suggestions?
<BR><BR><BR>Gotta' love these long sunny days!<BR><BR><BR>Andrew
Truitt<BR>Standard Solar Inc.<BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>"Don't get me wrong:
I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just
so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million
miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8
minutes. And it's wireless!"<BR><BR>~William McDonough</SPAN></FONT></P>
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