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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Possible, yes, but while I was swapping
the inverter I let the Solar Boost go into Eq, and it hit 30.4, so the
batteries were full when I left. She would not have been able to drain them in
a few hours. The new cables were each only about 2½’ long, just enough to
go from the DC disconnect up on top of the FX where the studs are. We make up
our cables with a listed crimper.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob-O Schultze<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:35
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
DR>FX Compatibility Problem</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yep, could be a LVCO. Any indication from her as to the state of the
batteries voltage-wise? Shouldn't have much effect one way or the other, but
with longer runs of inverter cables, I generally twist them together.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>On Jun 14, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Darren Emmons wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Allan,<br>
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Maybe it's not an overload, perhaps a low voltage cutout caused by some issue
with the either new 2/0 battery cables or their connections.<br>
The Staber WEB site indicates only a 11 amp surge which shouldn't overload trip
a FX2524T.<br>
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Cheers<br>
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Darren Emmons<br>
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Allan Sindelar wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here’s one that has me quite
stumped, and perhaps one of you esteemed Wrenches has an answer or suggestion.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In 2000 we installed a clean, basic
budget off-grid system in a new remote manufactured home for a client, a single
woman who lives quite consciously and frugally. The system was 24V, 600W of PV,
Trace DC175, DR2424 inverter, Solar Boost 50, eight golf cart batteries and a
Tri-Metric, along with a Sun Frost RF16 and Staber washer. The system had
worked perfectly for her, and we replaced her batteries with same last year.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>She called a couple of weeks ago because
her life situation had changed and she now worked from her remote home using
cell phone and satellite internet. The new satellite equipment had been
troublesome and had already been replaced, but would still shut down
intermittently. Given that she had already replaced the electronic equipment
with same, I suggested that she finally was facing the problem of
modified-square wave DR waveform. I said that while there were no guarantees, a
switch to a sine wave inverter would likely cure the problem.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Friday I removed the DR and installed
an Outback FX2524T. No other changes, other than longer 2/0 cables. I changed a
few settings for flooded batteries and her generator using a service-truck
Mate, but did not sell one with the system. Everything booted up properly, job
done, let me know how it works out.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Friday evening she called with no power.
The red “error” LED was lit. I had her reboot the inverter with the
DC breaker, and all was restored. The only thing she had run was the Staber
washer. I assured her that the inverter could handle a DC reboot without
trouble. The next day (yesterday) she left a message that she had six times
overloaded while completing the wash load with the Staber. Everything else was
fine.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Monday she will call for an
explanation of what is happening and advice on how to correct it, and I
won’t have any. What would allow a Staber to run fine on mod-square DR
power, but overload an FX of the same capacity? The Staber was likely ordered
with notification of the need for a mod-square control board, as they
instructed in the early days, but I wouldn’t expect it to be incompatible
with sine-wave AC.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Not having expected this problem, I
didn’t go hunting for problems such as a ground fault in the washer
circuit. I haven’t done any troubleshooting, of course, but would like to
have some idea what to look for. The only anomaly that I noticed was that some
of her Tri-Metric program settings had changed from what I checked when I
replaced the batteries: CEF of L98 instead of H97 meant she always showed 100%,
and a couple of other settings weren’t what they should have been. I
noted this and reset it, but considered it an unexplained glitch, as though a
nearby lightning surge had scrambled some settings without damaging anything,
or she had inadvertently pressed the wrong button sequence and changed
settings. Now I’m wondering about extraneous things: a bad ground? Mice
chewing through the laundry circuit (although she has cats…)?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What would cause an overload to be
detected by the FX that wouldn’t have tripped the DR all these years?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>All ideas and solutions would be
appreciated. I will likely have to make a return trip, not under warranty,
though.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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