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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hi Gang,</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>We are installing our
first "steam back" system with a German roof integrated array 51 SqM
(flat plate) from the Wagner Company.</span></font> <font color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'>http://www.wagner-solar.com</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The system is pressured to
approx 2 to 2.2 bar.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>At approx 120 to 125 degrees
the glycol/water fluid starts to go from liquid to gas and the pressure
increases.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>An expansion vessel
starts to compensate for the pressure.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The temperature increases
up around 155 to 160C until all the fluid is in gas form.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The right volume of expansion
vessel, and a larger ‘pre vessel’ and right pressures are critical to
guarantee that the medium is not going to crack (become</span></font><font
color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font
color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'>acidic)
and safely transition back to its original state on cooling.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The Wagner company stands
behind this approach and we no longer need a backup UPS as for a standard
closed loop system to keep things running safely during a power failure. Nor do
we need to worry about the pH of the medium.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hope this helps,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Carl Emerson</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Free Power Ltd.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Auckland NZ</span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of August Goers<br>
Sent: 25 April 2009 6:47 a.m.<br>
To: 'RE-wrenches'<br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Heat dump or Stagnate?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Troy -</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We've installed a good deal of Schuco systems with Slim V collectors
which</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>are supposed to utilize steam back. Being a mechanical engineer, I
still</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>have my doubts about the steam back principle but I don't have any real</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>world data proving it does or doesn't work. I can't say anything bad
about</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>it, however.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Our installed systems are all relatively new so it is hard to say how</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>they'll hold up in the long term. Our first Schuco systems were
installed in</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2006. We routinely check the glycol ph and haven't found it going
acidic yet</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>although I've noticed the color (Schuco's glycol is pink) is turning a
bit</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>brown. We've also revamped a large system where we disassembled the
copper</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>piping and found quite a bit of dark pink sediment in the rooftop
pipes.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The bottom line is that the more times the system overheats the faster
the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>glycol inhibitor is going to degrade in any system. Since all these
systems</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>are so new it is hard to say how long this will take. The danger I see
is</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>that it is easy to forget older systems and before you know it they
start</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>failing. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On another note, Heliodyne is also packaging closed loop glycol systems
and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>they aren't touting the steam back principle. Their system operates at</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>higher pressures and use Dowfrost HD. Dow's website indicates that HD
is</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>good up to 325 deg F which is cooking - I doubt flat plate collector</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>stagnation temps will reach that high at least in our area. See spec
sheet</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>here:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>http://www.dow.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_0040/0901b80380040bd2.pdf?filepath</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>=heattrans/pdfs/noreg/180-01315.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I guess I better get back to work... Anyone else have experience with</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>degrading systems?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best, </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>August</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>August Goers</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Luminalt Energy Corporation</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>O: 415.564.7652</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>M: 415.559.1525</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>F: 650.244.9167</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>www.luminalt.com</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>august@luminalt.com</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>From: re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Troy
Harvey</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:10 AM</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>To: RE-wrenches</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Heat dump or Stagnate?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Apparently this is the "modern" design method used in many
european </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>systems. It scares me too. But from several sources, this seems to
be </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>considered one of the most reliable design methods for closed
loop </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>systems (ie. it works even without electronic controls working,
power </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>outages, etc).</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Standard glycol. The main point seems to be the design of the
pipes </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>and collectors need to facilitate collector draining from the
steam </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>pushing the fluid back into the expansion tank, so the collectors
</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>empty themselves. Its closed loop, but effectively becomes
a </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"pressurized drainback" in over heating conditions.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Here is a couple of links:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> http://www.aee-intec.at/0uploads/dateien48.pdf</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> http://www.suterconsulting.com/CISBAT.pdf</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm hoping to find someone with experience with this kind of system
to </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>overcome my fears</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Troy Harvey</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>---------------------</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Heliocentric</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>801-453-9434</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>taharvey@heliocentric.org</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dana wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> I have only seen boiled glycol turn to a cola like syrup that had
to </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> be</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> purged and removed.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> What kind of system & glycol is this?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Where would you expand that much?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Can you provide a link to this paper?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> We use heat dumps.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Dana Orzel</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Great Solar Works, Inc</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> www.solarwork.com</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> E - dana@solarwork.com</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> V - 970.626.5253</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> F - 970.626.4140</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> C - 970.209.4076</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> "I'd put my money on solar energy. I hope we don't have to
wait 'til </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> oil and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> coal run out before we tackle that."</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> -Thomas Edison, in conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Firestone, March</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> 1931</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> -----Original Message-----</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> From: re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of
Troy </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Harvey</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:43 AM</span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>> To: RE-wrenches</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Solar Combi-systems: Heat dump or Stagnate?</span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> I'm wondering how many of you out there have installed medium
sized</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> solar hot water systems (6-8 panel) that were designed to stagnate</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> during summertime over production as opposed to diverting to a
heat</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> dump or radiator? The International solar agency has a couple of</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> papers that show a properly designed system should be able to
stagnate</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> in a way that the boiling glycol mix vapors in the panels, purge
the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> panels of fluid, turning off the system without degrading the
glycol.</span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> That doesn't seem to be a typical way to design systems in the
U.S. ,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> we've usually gone to a heat dump. Does anyone have experience
with</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> this?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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