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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>N/A/no (never paid for one) but one pay for service gave me a lead
a trial basis which of course wasn’t any where near my definition of prequalified.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>No, but thank you very much<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Rarely (less then 5 and I can’t even be sure)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This very timely. I also have seen an
explosion of pay for lead services just in the last few weeks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Service Magic has been one of the most persistent
and has called numerous times over the last 6 months. They are big time players
in the contractor lead referral business. Name the trade and they will help you
find them. Apparently they are on a push to sign up green (barf) contractors. Energy
auditors, solar PV and solar thermal. They want $42/each for PV leads! Told
them no thanks but they really put the hard sale on me. I told them if they
would offer a no quibble money back guarantee I would happy to try them out and
that promptly ended the conversation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Travis Creswell<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ozark Energy Services<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.ozarkenergyservices.com/">www.ozarkenergyservices.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joel Davidson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 22, 2009
8:20 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName>] pay for sales leads</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Three Questions:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>1) Has any wrench closed a sale on a paid-for lead?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>2) Has any wrench closed a sale on the free leads that I
gave you?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>3) Has any wrench closed a sale on the free leads that other
wrenches gave you?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Joel Davidson</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:solarworks@gmail.com" title="solarworks@gmail.com">Kirpal Khalsa</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, April
22, 2009 6:06 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName>] pay for sales leads<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We used <a
href="http://find-solar.com">find-solar.com</a> when they originally were
aligned with ASES......then they had some internal mish mash and ASES decided
to turn it into a money making venture....they like all the other offers we
have been getting, wanted to charge for "qualified" leads......we
found them to offer the most expensive "qualified" lead match
referral program with each lead costing in the neighborhood of
$119.00.......The one benefit of using their service is the funds go to help
ASES,- a worthwhile and deserving organization in my opinion........All the
othere private lead referral services have been offering their services for in
the neighborhood of $14 to $45......We tried one of them and found that our
idea of "qualified" did not match their idea of
"qualified".....after trying to convince them that our idea of
"qualified" was the most important and them not being flexible we
decided to stop using their service.......we got a few leads but because their
vetting process didn't weed out folks who only thought of solar as a cool
product of the future that didn't warrant any expense we never got a job out of
it.......<br>
When <a href="http://find-solar.com">find-solar.com</a> switched to cooler
planet.....we transfrered our business to find solar.org........they were still
free and we recieved at least a few good quality leads.........they now offer
their service for a price but offer a variety of other benefits such as placing
ad words with google and other search engines......among other things.....<br>
We have decided to back off on using any of these referral services as they
seem to be coming out of the woodwork and we get most of our leads from prior
customers and other state programs which list licensed installers.......These
are of course free services........<br>
I would love to hear of some success stories from some of these referral
servicees.......unitl i do, i will be refrainig from using them........<br>
Cheers.....<br>
-- <br>
Sunny Regards,<br>
Kirpal Khalsa<br>
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer<br>
Renewable Energy Systems<br>
<a href="http://www.oregonsolarworks.com">www.oregonsolarworks.com</a><br>
541-218-0201 m<br>
541-592-3958 o<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Mendocino Solar Service <<a
href="mailto:msolar@mcn.org">msolar@mcn.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So how about the free lead-generating outfits? Findsolar.com was
started by ASES I believe, and is now "Cooler Planet". Anyone get
results there or elsewhere? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Palatino;color:black'>Bruce Erickson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Palatino;color:black'>Mendocino Solar
Service<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face=Palatino><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Palatino;
color:black'>Mendocino</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 color=black
face=Palatino><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Palatino;color:black'>,
<st1:State w:st="on">CA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">95460</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
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style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Palatino;color:black'>707-937-1701<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Apr 22, 2009, at 6:20 AM, Jeff Yago wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Unless you have been in this business about one week, you most likely
are receiving tons of emails from web sites offering all kinds of great solar
sales leads for a fee. The fee is usually in the $15 to $20 range, and
they promise these are "pre-qualified" leads in that a filtering process
has been used to weed out those not really serious.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Considering we get lots of sales leads from other web sites that do not
charge anything, and have lots of work already, have any of you actually used
one of these pay for leads web sites and found it to be as good as the hype?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Jeff Yago<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>DTI Solar<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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