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<P><SPAN class=140460216-30032009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This
comes from Jeff Skelski a guy that has been involved for quite a few years w/
batteries, EVs & Jeff also works w/ a hi freq battery desulphator
group. this is his response & contact info FMI.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=140460216-30032009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="mailto:jeffski@the-spa.com">jeffski@the-spa.com</A></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P>I have been using conductance technology for 10+ years and it is a great
tool. I can test a bank of 24(up to 100) batteries is less than ten minutes and
get a print-out. It is only a very good guide that has the advantage to be used
without disconnecting anything. The more you use a conductance tester the easier
it is to learn the short-comings. It has the ability to test a battery, or a
bank that is not fully charged. It is also great for matching a used battery to
an aged bank. It I have a question and suspect a particular battery, I still
will use my carbon-pile or load bank along with other indicators. I have been
using the Midtronics and am currently testing the Auto Meter. </P>
<P>I use both Automotive and SLA(ah)units of different sizes. The prices do very
but as the old adage goes you get what you pay for, my regular unit is an $800
Midtronics plus a $400 printer. I am not a part of the wrenches group, nor am I
very good with email. I would love to join but probably can't as I am only a
battery / energy guy. Jeff</P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Dana<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 27, 2009 5:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'RE-wrenches'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [RE-wrenches] FW: Battery impedance
analyzers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I forwarded
this query to Rob Shappell of NWES here is his response. SEE
Below.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dana
Orzel<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Great Solar Works,
Inc<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">www.solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">E -
dana@solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">V -
970.626.5253<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">“I'd put my money on
solar energy… I hope we don't have to wait 'til oil and coal run out before we
tackle that.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">—Thomas Edison, in
conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone, March 1931</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Rob Shappell
[mailto:rob@nwes.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 27, 2009 2:04
PM<BR><B>To:</B> dana@solarwork.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [RE-wrenches]
Battery impedance analyzers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hi
Dana,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
have no direct information as to their abilities. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What
I can say is that we had a battery that looked like it was melted down, I'm
talking about lead terminals that were drooping and melted!! They were cooked
and starved of electrolyte! We replaced the batteries, but some how the cooked
batteries got into the hands of a guy who had an </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">impedance
analyzers. He cleaned them up and did some testing </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> and
claimed that the batteries were all OK. Not long thereafter, the cooked
batteries showed up on eBay. Not too long after that, we sold replacement
cells…..you be the judge.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
battery industry is working on a reliable device that makes it much easier to
determine the health of a battery, but I think it is hit and miss at this
point in time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Rob<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Rob – do you have an answer for
these boys?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Mar 27, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Travis Creswell
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
Larry,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I’ve
often wondered about them. My local battery “superstore”
(everything from cell phone to golf carts) had been using them for the
last few years to test automotive starter batteries and deep cycles but
the last time I was in there I noticed they’d gone back to the old
standby resistance/carbon pile style testers. I inquired and
wasn’t able to get any exacts but the summary was they were not happy
with them. I’m curious to know your findings on both
fronts.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Travis
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ozark
Energy Services</SPAN><SPAN
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target=_blank>www.ozarkenergyservices.com</A></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><A
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target=_blank>re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target=_blank>mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>]<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Larry Crutcher, Starlight
Solar<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:08
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>
RE-wrenches @lists.re-wrenches.org<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[ RE-wrenches ]<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN> Battery<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>impedance analyzers</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Hello
Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Is anyone using an
impedance type battery analyzer for lead acid batteries? If so,
what do you have and how has it worked out. I have seen prices from $200
to $7500 and I'm sure there is a world of
difference. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I have been using a pulser
circuit I built about 4 years ago to restore nearly dead AGM batteries
but I have not had any sophisticated method of verifying before and
after performance. I perform a constant current equalization with no
voltage limit and then leave the battery on the pulser for a few weeks.
This works great and I have restored and sold a few used AGM batteries
that would have gone to the recycler. Today our battery buyer just
picked up another 15,400 lb. of batteries from us. Yep, they
were mostly murdered! I would like to be able to restore more of
them.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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