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<P><SPAN class=468402700-15032009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I wrote
this & deleted it,thought I would let this one go but I see that others got
a similar hit on this as I did.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><FONT color=#0000ff>I agree there is no stupid question BUT as a "Lead
Installer" the information was available in the book. Perhaps Bob O's
frustration was Not in the question but the lack of research w/ the tools we all
should have in hand. Battery based systems are NOT discussed very thoroughly in
the code book. These systems can be quite complex AND dangerous to those folks
untrained. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#0000ff>Please don't ever hesitate to ask questions but look
before you leap. I agree that the industry is being swamped w/ newbie & I
loose jobs to those less then qualified then myself, YEAH I GET pissed! I have
worked LONG & HARD learning things without the benefit of the re/list. Some
of it by trial & error other times by looking in the books until I find what
I was looking for. </FONT></P>
<P><SPAN class=468402700-15032009><FONT color=#0000ff>These trenches are quite
deep for us older grumpy techs!
Tump</FONT></SPAN></P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>William
Miller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:21 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> [RE-wrenches] List
etiquette<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Friends:<BR><BR>I admit I have been guilty of
writing a harsh word on this site. I don't defend the practice, but it
is trying when one hears of supposedly experienced contractors making very
dangerous mistakes.<BR><BR>It is not difficult to learn a lot about any
installer in this internet age. You can look up a contractor's license
status on the licensing board web site (if they have a license). You can
review their company web site, read how experienced they are and see that they
have a top-notch crew. You can go back to the contractor's license site
and see that they have certified that they are not running a crew so they
don't have to pay worker's comp insurance. All of those youngsters on
the roof must be "independent contractors."<BR><BR>It is frustrating to
compete against cut-rate contractors when you have paid your dues and are
paying the cost to be legitimate. I make a fairly good living repairing
the work of other solar electric contractors. I see them abuse retirees
something fierce. I wish there were some way to get those people back
the money they have spent on disreputable installers, but it is expensive to
go to court.<BR><BR>We have to let a lot of work go because we are underbid by
less experienced installers. Many electrical contractors and out-of-work
used car salespeople are getting into the solar electric business lately,
because, how hard can it really be?<BR><BR>William
Miller<BR><BR> <BR><X-SIGSEP>
<P></X-SIGSEP><FONT size=3><U>Please note new e-mail address and
domain:<BR><BR></U>William Miller <BR>Miller Solar<BR>Voice
:805-438-5600 Fax:
805-438-4607<X-TAB> </X-TAB><BR>email:
william@millersolar.com<BR><A href="http://millersolar.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://millersolar.com<BR></A>License No.
C-10-773985<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>