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Roger, etc.,<br>
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All reports that have come my way basically concur; with one
interesting exception - that being from a SkyStream owner (and "urban
wind dealer"). They are claiming about "500 kWh/per month" from their
machine, which is located smack-dab in the urban heart of San
Francisco. This is on a 45' tower, by the way, right next to a house.
Since this reported production rivals the best turbines in the same
rotor size class in a really great wind site, the report is either
extremely misread, or this part of the city has one hell of a wind
regime! It is also interesting to note that they won't sell any more
SkyStreams after having "a negative experience" with SWWP. <br>
<br>
Matt T<br>
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roger dixon wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: blue;">I support and second
the thoughts and
comments Roy has voiced, as the real world experience does not yet
marry up to
the projections and subsequent client/owner expectations. Without a
customer production meter, owners are basically happy with their units
(they
rotate so they make power </span><span
style="font-family: Wingdings; color: blue;">J</span><span
style="color: blue;">). With production meters you will find a
different reaction. Reality sets in with the numbers on those meters.
I do not install ANY wind turbine without a customer side, production
meter and
I monitor that with annual inspections and maintenance. I am hopeful
that
refinement of the Skystream turbine, electronics and software will
prove to be
fruitful and live up to those projections and expectations. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family: "Constantia","serif"; color: black;">908.337.2057
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roy
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Skystream 3.7 experiences?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Phil and all,<br>
<br>
The industry insiders have a great saying that sums this all up....<br>
<br>
Skystream owners without production meters love their turbines.<br>
Those with meters hate them.....<br>
<br>
Let's hope SWWP does what it must to turn this around and do what's
right for <br>
the industry. Hey...I can dream can't I??<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Roy Butler<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left: 0.5in;">NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<br>
Phil Schneider wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0.5in;"><span
style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Gill Sans","serif";">Our
experience with the Skystream here in Wyoming has been good so far. We
have installed 6, the oldest one being in operation for about 14
months.
One is part of a battery based grid-tie system, and operated well when
tested. One of the turbines is in world-class wind in Southeast
Wyoming.
I just checked with the owner and it produced about 480 kWh in the
last
month on a short tower (with a hundred miles of sagebrush to the
windward side)
at almost 6000 ft elevation. Unfortunately this turbine doesn’t
have an anemometer/data logger, so we don’t know if it is performing as
expected.
My guess is that it spends a lot of time self-regulating.<br>
<br>
One of the turbines was in the recent batch of recalls and was dealt
with by a
SWWP-hired contractor. This involved a potential leak in a seal of the
electronics compartment in the nacelle (although for some reason they
are
replacing the whole turbine). While reaching somebody at SWWP tech
support has been nearly impossible, this turbine swap was handled
fairly
swiftly.<br>
<br>
>From the others’ experience, sounds like we should keep our fingers
crossed.<br>
<br>
P.<br>
</span><span
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</span><b><span
style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Gill Sans","serif";">Phil
Schneider</span></b><span
style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Gill Sans","serif";">,
system engineer<br>
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style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Gill Sans","serif"; color: rgb(255, 128, 0);">Creative
Energies<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Gill Sans","serif";"><a
href="http://www.CreativeEnergies.biz">www.CreativeEnergies.biz</a><br>
307.332.3410 Lander, WY<br>
208.354.3001 Victor, ID<br>
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style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Gill Sans","serif";">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Gill Sans","serif";">Kurt
Albershardt <a href="mailto:info@es-ee.com"><info@es-ee.com></a><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>RE-wrenches <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:26:38 -0800<br>
<b>To: </b>RE-wrenches <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [RE-wrenches] Skystream 3.7 experiences?<br>
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</span><span style="font-size: 5.5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">--On
Monday,
December 22, 2008 6:23 PM -0500 Roy Butler <a
href="mailto:roy@four-winds-energy.com"><roy@four-winds-energy.com></a>
wrote: > > In a nutshell.....this unit is not ready for prime
time yet.
Lots of bugs and glitches. > Not to mention much lower than expected
energy
production. --On Monday, December 22, 2008 5:13 PM -0700 Louis
Woofenden <a href="mailto:louis@woofenden.net"><louis@woofenden.net></a>
wrote: >
> We've installed a couple of Skystream units here in southern
Arizona. We
know the tilt-up tower works quite well--we've had to bring each unit
down 2-3
times for various problems with electronics. Added to this was SWWP's
extremely
poor customer service. They took several days to even call us back,
didn't send
promised parts, etc. Of course, these two installation sites are one
and two
hours from our shop. We had one customer who was just about ready to
throw the
unit in the back of his truck, and drive it the five hours up to
Flagstaff.
> > It looks slick, the installation was no problem, but if it
doesn't
work reliably, none of that really matters, in my opinion. I was hoping
SWWP
would get this one right, but I don't think it's there yet. Given the
long and
well documented SWWP history, I was afraid of this. Has anyone
successfully
coupled a Bergey Xl.1 to a grid-tie? Anything else to recommend in the
1-5 kW range? thanks... > Might have something to do with those
little fence
posts they call towers ;-) > > And that Smart foundation only
works on
towers 60' or less. > Too short for most sites and not a good height
for
energy production anyway. > > Believe me.....most of us would
love to see
plug and play/ modular tower > and turbine systems but there's no
such beast
yet! > > Best advice......take a wait and see approach. > >
Roy
Butler > NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer® > NYSERDA eligible
PV
& wind installer Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC > 8902 Route
46 >
Arkport, NY 14807 > 607-324-9747 > > <a
href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com">www.four-winds-energy.com</a>
> <a href="http://www.nationalsolarsupply.com">www.nationalsolarsupply.com</a>
>
> Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, a
large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > > > >
Kurt
Albershardt wrote: >> Anyone have realworld experience with the
SWWP
Skystream 3.7 they can >> share? >> >> The
AnemErgonics
foundation kit looks fairly well thought out. >> >>
>>
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