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color=#0000ff size=2>120% allowance is only "..For a dwelling
unit....".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Clearly this is a load side Point of Connection. If it is a
"dwelling unit"" then the 120% allowance is applicable. If it is not a "dwelling
unit", then there is no room to connect under NEC 2008.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>August
Goers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 05, 2008 5:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] load side taps and NEC
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Jerry -
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<DIV>A line tap typically occurs between the utility meter and the main breaker
- not after the main breaker on the load side. It seems that you are describing
a load side tap which follows the 120% rule under 2008 NEC; I might be
misunderstanding the situation. Please clarify. There are few folks out there
who are able handle these large commercial grade interconnections and I think it
is well worth discussing.</DIV>
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<DIV>Good luck! -August </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>August Goers<BR><BR>
<DIV>Luminalt Energy Corporation<BR>4000 Irving Street <BR>San Francisco, CA
94122</DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>Office: 415.564.7652<BR>Mobile:
415.559.1525<BR>august@luminalt.com<BR>www.luminalt.com<BR>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> William Miller
<wrmiller@charter.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> RE-wrenches
<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 5, 2008 4:11:15
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [RE-wrenches]
load side taps and NEC 240.21<BR></FONT><BR>Jerry:<BR><BR>At a recent John Wiles
seminar, John declared that this scenario is not a <BR>tap and is therefore not
covered under the tap rule. This was news to me, <BR>but Wiles is considered
some sort of guru in compliance discussions.<BR><BR>William Miller<BR><BR><BR>At
03:43 PM 12/5/2008, you wrote:<BR><BR>>Wreches,<BR>><BR>><BR>>I have
a system where we are tapping onto the bus bars of a 1200 amp panel <BR>>fed
by a 1200 amp main breaker. The easy place to tap onto the bus bars <BR>>is
the load side of the breaker using the existing
bolts.<BR>><BR>><BR>>The inverter and utility fused disco are about 200
ft away, and the tap <BR>>conductors travel about15ft in EMT conduit before
leaving the <BR>>building. After that the circuit is outdoors. NEC 240.21(B)5
allows taps <BR>>of unlimited length for conductors located outside of a
building, except <BR>>at the point of load (in this case supply)
termination.<BR>><BR>><BR>>Can 20ft of conductor inside the building be
covered by being "at the <BR>>point of load termination", or do I have to
comply with NEC 240.21(B)2 and <BR>>have an OCPD within
25'?<BR>><BR>><BR>>The construction foreman for this project is buddies
with the inspector, <BR>>so getting a signed permit won't be a problem but I
want this to be a code <BR>>compliant system. Can anyone lend some insight to
the spirit of <BR>>240.21(B)2 and 5?<BR>><BR>><BR>>Sorry if this has
been discussed before, but searching didn't yield any
<BR>>results.<BR>><BR>><BR>>Best,<BR>><BR>>Jerry
Caldwell<BR>><BR>>Recurrent
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