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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It seems odd, in Texas we are considered a
right-to-work state, unions are not a powerful entity as in a number of other
states. You will find most Union Electricians, at least here in the North Texas
area, work for cities and larger corporations. Due to the huge
military-aerospace industry in Fort Worth and Dallas most large mil-contractors
(think Lockheed Martin) only use Union workers. This includes Electricians.
</FONT><FONT face=Arial>From this perspective, I don't see a lot of union power
concentrated in Texas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But the IEC is very active in the balance of the
state among retail and commercial scale Electrical
Contractors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So I guess I don't understand the caution by TREIA in
their dealings with the unions. Bob's right, there is plenty of work for
everybody. So is the Texas union lobby being coached by IBEW members
from outside the state? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I guess considering the history of unions in the US I
would not be surprised to see a power grab.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Jim Duncan</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bob.maynard@grosolar.com href="mailto:bob.maynard@grosolar.com">Bob
Maynard</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] State
licensing for PV installers in Texas</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">We
had a lot of resistance from the unions. I remember testifying before a
Senate hearing and there were just three of us from the industry speaking for
the creation of the license. The unions had at least 6 paid lobbyists speaking
against it. In the end we prevailed when a Senator asked the union
lobbyists for specific details of their renewable energy training programs and
they had none in place! To help bring peace, we put together a 10kw
project with the local utility to be installed on the State Capitol. We
handed it to the unions to install and coordinated it with a professional pv
training course. The thing to remember is this industry is going to grow
so fast, there will not be enough solar electricians to do all the work and we
need the manpower of the traditional electrical industry to help deploy all
the solar yet to be installed!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>North
Texas Renewable Energy Inc<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:17
PM<BR><B>To:</B> RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] State
licensing for PV installers in Texas<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Having
watched enviously for years as other states put PV incentive programs into
place, I have seen the opposition from the electrical unions and large
electrical contractors, especially in California.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">What sort
of friction did Oregons licensing procedure experience compared to
California?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Jim
Duncan<BR>North Texas Renewable Energy Inc<BR>817.917.0527<BR><A
href="mailto:ntrei@earthlink.net">ntrei@earthlink.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.ntrei.com">www.ntrei.com</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=bob.maynard@grosolar.com href="mailto:bob.maynard@grosolar.com">Bob
Maynard</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Wednesday,
October 29, 2008 4:50 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[RE-wrenches] State licensing for PV installers in
Texas<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In
Oregon we have a Limited Renewable Energy Technician license. We are
capped at 25kw and can do residential and commercial. The LRT license
does not allow us to make final AC connections on any system and requires a
site visit from an electrician.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Regards,<BR>Bob
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re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>North
Texas Renewable Energy Inc<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:45
PM<BR><B>To:</B> RE Wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> [RE-wrenches] State
licensing for PV installers in Texas<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Wrenches</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">the Texas
Dept of Licensing and Regulation has (finally) proposed a Limited Solar
Electric License for installers in Texas. There is currently no
"solar license" in Texas. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Among
other fairly arbitrary and borderline ridiculous potential requirements
(IMHO) is a 50 kWDC cap on the size of systems allowed, based on inverter
rated output. Also the license holder may not work on commercial
installations.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Are these
typical of the license restrictions in other states?
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">thanks</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Jim
Duncan<BR>North Texas Renewable Energy Inc<BR>817.917.0527<BR><A
href="mailto:ntrei@earthlink.net">ntrei@earthlink.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.ntrei.com">www.ntrei.com</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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