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Jamie,<br>
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And since the vast majority of groundwater and artificial lake water is
very high in calcium chloride out here in the far West, using
untreateted tap water is like murdering your batteries.<br>
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Matt<br>
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face="Lucida Grande" size="3">Hi Matt et al,</font> </p>
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face="Lucida Grande" size="3">Sorry for missing my que to respond.</font>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> <font
face="Lucida Grande" size="3">As mentioned, the big concerns is
mineral content in the water which will adhere to the plate and "take
the place" of a possible reaction site - thus reducing capacity.</font>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> <font
face="Lucida Grande" size="3">As you can imagine, water quality is a
concern from both the input and output standpoint and we have an
outside Environmental Consultant group review water (and air) quality
1/4ly. We are very fortunate that even untreated/ filtered, has
negligible mineral content. I have never been in a battery plant that
uses distilled water but (almost) all, I have seen, use a form of
filtration / dionizing before use.</font> </p>
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face="Lucida Grande" size="3">Hard water is a definite no no!</font> </p>
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face="Lucida Grande" size="3">Jamie</font> </p>
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>>> "R. Walters" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:walters@taosnet.com"><walters@taosnet.com></a> 09/04/08 10:44 PM
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> I've used the
watering systems for years as well, but never the tap connect. </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> We have hard water
here too, good to know that our distilled water mania is not in vain. </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> Ray </p>
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6:30 PM, Matt wrote: </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> We sell plenty of
watering systems, but none are fed from an actual pressurized tap. The
"best" one uses a manual water release on top of each cap; this
prevents over-filling when (not if) something sticks. </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> I have never used
non-distilled water in a battery, but I have replaced a couple of banks
that were wrecked by using well water with a high mineral content. </p>
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but Battery Watering Systems has used them for </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> years. The rep I
talked to thought we in the solar biz were quite </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> cautious on
this. </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> I still use
distilled H2O, myself BTW. </p>
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actually experienced ruined batteries from ionized or </p>
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reread Jamie's previous response, it sounds like they </p>
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using distilled H2O to build them either. </p>
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at 7:15 PM, Matt wrote: </p>
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majorly bad idea! Tap water usually contains dissolved </p>
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will screw up battery plates, reduce or increase </p>
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and generally void battery warrantees. </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> Am I correct
about this Jamie? </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> ---- "R.
Walters" <<a href="mailto:walters@taosnet.com">walters@taosnet.com</a>>
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single point battery watering systems have a pressure </p>
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that plumbs right to the water tap with a small filter. </p>
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we in the solar business are more anal about using </p>
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Deionized water is commonly used in battery manufacturing and </p>
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