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Hi Jeff;<div><br></div><div>I'm learning to start charging for that precious ZEN time. I try not to tell them they can't do it. </div><div>Instead, I charge for extra design time beyond a regular system, and I let the ridiculously expensive prices do the talking. </div><div>If they still want to do it, I start looking at a solar / generator hybrid, where the generator picks up the slack on hot summer days. </div><div>I start pushing efficiency, cut the costs in half, and make it work. </div><div>Is it fair for the client to brag about their environmental impact: No. The grid would be cleaner. </div><div>For me, I look at what they would do if they didn't go solar. If I'm keeping a generator from running 24 hrs/ day, I figure I'm still doing the world some good.</div><div>(This may just be a bogus rationalization for some whopper jobs that kept me in business)</div><div><br></div><div>Ray Walters</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div> <div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></span></font> <div></div> <div></div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Sorry, but sometimes you do have to tell a client they are wrong, and I do not always have the Zen time to help them discover that realization on their own through a slow learning process.</span></font> </div> <div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></span></font><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></span></font> <div></div> <div></div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Jeff Yago</span></font> </div> <div> <br></div><br> <br><hr>Netscape. Just the Net You Need.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">List sponsored by Home Power magazine</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">List rules & etiquette:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Check out participant bios:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">www.members.re-wrenches.org</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>R. Walters</div><div>Solarray.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span></div><div>NABCEP # 04170442<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span> </div><br></div></body></html>