[RE-wrenches] Tigo TS4-A-F

Thu Nov 20 13:03:35 PST 2025

Other than replacing the individual TS4-A-F device has anyone gotten any
additional compensation from Tigo? In my case due to the burnt up cell on
the module, I now have a string of 5 modules that I cannot parallel with
the others. For awhile my distributor still had inventory but now they seem
to be long gone. I'd rather not punish myself going through Tigo's tech
support if all it does is put $35 back into my inventory. They've sent
replacements quickly before but this is another level. I doubt they'd
compensate for a new module if one could be found let alone cover the
expense of shipping a single module. It would be quite the bill to cover
all the labor as well. I'm now in this odd work limbo being too scared to
power down the strings in fear another one will become bricked or worse.

At least Enphase is doing off grid now. Deserving of another consideration
for sure.

Nick

On Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 11:47 AM Kocsmiersky, Michael via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> To further David’s assessment of the Tigo TS4-A-F devices.  I looked into
> an issue about a year or two ago with failed Tigo units suffering thermal
> damage on multiple small commercial rooftop sites.  It appears that the
> issue is crosstalk on the power line carrier signal.  When the crosstalk
> occurs, the device does not receive the keep alive signal in the required
> 12 seconds and opens the output of the device.  By opening the active
> MOSFET switch,  this opening is actually done slowly so as not to create
> large surges/arcing, it creates heat in the MOSFET/ device.  Additionally,
> a ceramic high power bleed down resistor bleeds down the module charge.
> Imagine the solar module as a big capacitor plus inductive energy in the
> cabling, these reactive components need to be bled down to below 30V within
> 30 seconds to keep that voltage below the NEC requirements. So when the
> unit performs the shut down, it has to disapate a little heat to open the
> circuit without arcing and from the stored charge in the reactive
> components of the module.    If the TS4-A-F is getting crosstalk and
> turning on and off rapidly, then the unit starts to get hot and eventually
> melts the device.  This is specific to the TS4-A-F and the dual unit
> because they are using PLC to communicate.  Most of the other Tigo products
> are using a wireless communication, and not susceptible to the same type of
> interference. Tigo has lots of restrictions on the install to limit
> interference.  I believe the issue is more prevalent when you have multiple
> inverters sending out non synchronous RSS signals and the homerun wiring
> running in same conduit.  Which is typical if you have several string
> inverters all dropping the DC down to an AC/DC conduit trough.  If the RSS
> communication gets jumbled to the Tigo unit under the module, it can turn
> the unit on and off.  Exactly which unit will vary according to the noise
> and interference of the moment.
>
> I’ll interject here that I don’t have much experience with this product,
> nor the optimizer units, so I can’t speak to failures regarding the
> wireless based units nor do I have experience with utilizing the TS4-A-F in
> the proper Tigo recommended synchronous signal booster and isolated conduit
> runs.  Sounds like David had things installed proper and still saw a
> multitude of failures.
>
>
>
> Mike Kocsmiersky
>
> E3 Consulting
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org> *On
> Behalf Of *David Buckner via RE-wrenches
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2025 12:03 PM
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> *Cc:* David Buckner <dbuckner at solaresystems.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Tigo TS4-A-F
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> *Evidence of failures and related issues*
>
>    - *Overheating and fire:* Multiple sources, including court documents,
>    describe Tigo RSDs that showed signs of extreme overheating, melting, or
>    being completely incinerated.
>    - *Legal action:* A lawsuit was filed against Tigo Energy alleging
>    their RSDs posed a clear threat of death, injury, and property damage, with
>    plaintiffs shutting down their own systems as a result.
>
> *Systemic problems:* Some reports suggest that failures are not isolated,
> with multiple devices failing across different projects.
>
>    - *Allegations of a cover-up:* The aforementioned lawsuit includes
>    claims that Tigo was aware of risks and failed to adequately warn
>    customers, suggesting a cover-up was in progress, *notes Courthouse
>    News
>    <https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/2024-29-3-13-14-13-2fb45a16-f38b-4ab2-bfe6-c4ba492b4ab4-2.pdf>*
>    .
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> *From:* David Buckner <dbuckner at solaresystems.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2025 11:32 AM
> *To:* william at millersolar.com <william at millersolar.com>; RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> *Cc:* Nick Lucchese <lucchesesolar at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Tigo TS4-A-F
>
>
>
> We have a multitude of these same issues with the TS40-A-F.  We followed
> every new guideline from Tigo in order to avoid corrupted signals but still
> had issues.  After a hot breezy day in NJ last year caused a Tigo failure
> to spread the roof caught on fire and caused millions in damage.
> Thankfully no one was injured.  We spent the rest of 2024 pulling 6 MW's of
> Tigos off of other roofs for this customer.  I have heard multiple stories
> of similar issues for many very experienced installers.
>
>
>
> David Buckner
>
> SES
>
>
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> *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf
> of Nick Lucchese via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2025 12:11 PM
> *To:* william at millersolar.com <william at millersolar.com>; RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> *Cc:* Nick Lucchese <lucchesesolar at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Tigo TS4-A-F
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> Appears that Zonna still has quite a few in stock. Feeling foolish to
> purchase more after having a TS4-2F fail into a pile of molten plastic and
> ruin a 405 watt bifacial module that I can no longer find a replacement
> for. What other options do we have for small DC coupled arrays on
> residential rooftops though? Not the most inspiring times to be installing
> rooftop PV. Hopefully I'll start having better luck with the single module
> units. Numerous times I've had units become bricked and not pass module
> voltage but this is the first time I've had this type of catastrophic
> failure that also inconveniently cost me the module.
>
>
>
> Nick
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> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 7:10 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> Friends:
>
>
>
> I am having trouble locating these RSDs.  Very few vendors appear to have
> these and I can’t get any to call back and verify they have them.  I can’t
> get Tigo to return my calls.  Does anyone know if these are discontinued?
>
>
>
> What are the rest of you doing for rapid shutdown?  I don’t trust Alps:  I
> have heard too many horror stories.  It seems the form factor is too small
> to contain arc suppression measures.
>
>
>
> Somewhere I saw as an alternative the Tigo TS4-A-O.  These are
> optimizers.  I worry these will fight with the MPPT algorithm in the
> inverter or charge controller.  There is also the TS4-A-S which has
> shutdown and monitoring.
>
>
>
> All input is welcome an appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
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> CA Lic. 773985
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