[RE-wrenches] N-G bond for supply side connection Midnite Power

Wed Oct 29 19:17:36 PDT 2025

Jay
If you call MNP Technical Support they should be able to email you a link
or get you pdf breakdowns of the trainings with best practice
recommendations too

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 7:07 PM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
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> Hi Jay
>
> It is not in the manual, but it is addressed in the training videos.
> Hopefully it will get in the manual on the next revision.
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 8:16 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
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>> Thx william
>>
>> I looked through the install manual and didn’t see the requirements for
>> equal length cables.
>>
>> Where would I find this?  Did I miss it or is it in a white paper or?
>>
>> Thx
>> Jay
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 11:27 AM, William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi Jay
>>
>> The install principles are for both on and off grid. When on grid you
>> have increased issues with current circles, and imbalanced voltage issues
>> from bad wiring practices.
>> On off grid it is current issues, when the installer goes cheap with
>> smaller wire, AU wire and states "the Load is only XX Kw" so I do not need
>> a #2AWG wire on the output".
>> We know that is never true, and the customer will always increase loads
>> or underestimate loads. The inverter also has a large surge capacity, So
>> the inverter will starve for Amps when needed on the DC side, and have a
>> high resistance on the AC side.
>>
>> When you follow the recommended wire sizes in the manual, the errors go
>> to almost zero, unless you have N to G bonds all over the place. That is
>> another issue altogether, that has been talked about.
>>
>> In the end, AIO inverters are different from what us older guys are used
>> to. Before we could get away with all types of shortcuts when the box was
>> full of heavy copper and only made AC power. AIO's are really complex, and
>> the little things in the install matter. The New RULES are making it even
>> harder ESS, PCS, ECT... More rules, more code, more issues.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 1:04 PM jay via RE-wrenches <
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>>> HI William
>>>
>>> This is for both on and off grid correct?
>>> jay
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 10:34 AM, William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dave
>>>
>>> The AC wires need to be the same size and try to have the same length.
>>> This is important because the inverter when stacked "shares" the power so
>>> you want to try to prevent any imbalance in voltage and resistance
>>> issues, or circle issues.
>>>
>>> In older stacked systems you have a master and a slave and when the
>>> power demand increases then the slave would take the excess. On AIO's the
>>> power is shared equally all the time (this is a good thing as you don't get
>>> the flicker as the slave picks up). It is important that the install takes
>>> into account the  different way the power is used and delivered. Have a
>>> clean install, with the correct sized conductors as specified by the
>>> manufacturer, and try to keep the wire run short and equal when connecting
>>> the inverter AC runs  together.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 9:41 AM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <
>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> William this is really good information, thanks for sharing the
>>>> technical perspective.
>>>>
>>>> I have two sites with two of these inverters and both of them are
>>>> exhibiting very similar behavior. On Friday, I was out at the other one to
>>>> wrap up a few things. While I was out there I verified some of the things
>>>> that Midnite tech support suggested like making sure that the AC wires to
>>>> each inverter's grid in and cables are the same length and also from the
>>>> battery bus bar to each inverter are the same length. This was actually a
>>>> bit surprising to me, considering with lead acid it is more important to
>>>> have the battery cables from the bus bar to the batteries be the exact same
>>>> length and the cables to the inverters did not matter as much.
>>>>
>>>> Based on what we were talking about last week, I removed the N-G bond
>>>> in the disconnect for the solar, but I have not yet gone looking for other
>>>> N-G connections in the way that Jason suggested. I have not gotten a CA-DC
>>>> link overvoltage error, but I have still seen some of the symptoms. It is
>>>> not as bad as the other site, but what I notice on the monitoring is that
>>>> in the late afternoon/early evening one inverter shows an unreasonable
>>>> amount of solar (with power going into the grid and into the battery),
>>>> while the other inverter shows low solar (with a ton of power coming out of
>>>> the battery going to the load and the grid), and the battery SOC drops very
>>>> quickly down to the discharge end SOC (on grid) setting of 85%.
>>>> Jason and William, do you know whether any faulty wiring with N-G
>>>> connected in loads on the non-backed up side will affect the system the
>>>> same way? Or is it mostly just important to check for any neutrals
>>>> connected to ground on the backed up loads side?
>>>>
>>>> Jason, as to why a supply side connection - I was under the impression
>>>> that a Power Control System just effectively limits the amount of power
>>>> that can be sold to the grid. But on a standard 200A service, that limits
>>>> you to about 7.7kw of sell back. I would not want to limit the system that
>>>> much for a roughly 20kw system, even if more than the 7.7kw can go to
>>>> powering loads and battery charging. In the Midnite monitoring, it is
>>>> pretty easy to limit the grid sell back with the "maximum feed in grid
>>>> power" in the Power Control settings.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 8:51 AM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All
>>>>>
>>>>> Most modern all-in-one (AIO) inverters are designed around a non-isolated
>>>>> high-voltage DC bus. This design is what allows manufacturers to advertise
>>>>> higher output numbers — for example, “15–18 kW” — while the inverter may
>>>>> only deliver 12 kW during nighttime operation when PV isn’t contributing
>>>>> (it is also cheaper to build). Without the shared non-isolated DC link,
>>>>> these power-boosted daytime ratings wouldn’t be possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> A DC-bus overvoltage fault almost always points to one of two issues:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Improper system design
>>>>>    2.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Wiring and installation mistakes
>>>>>
>>>>> Off-Grid Example
>>>>>
>>>>> A common DIY mistake is pairing a large solar array (because glass is
>>>>> cheap) with a relatively small battery (not as cheap).
>>>>> When the battery is full and a large load suddenly turns off, the
>>>>> excess energy has nowhere to go. The inverter throttles back, but the
>>>>> stored energy can still push the DC-bus voltage up rapidly. If the inverter
>>>>> didn’t protect itself, the capacitors would be at risk — so it shuts down
>>>>> with an overvoltage error. This is also common when using a large
>>>>> retrofitted AC coupled array.
>>>>> Grid-Tie Example
>>>>>
>>>>> In grid-connected systems, DC-bus overvoltage is typically caused by wiring
>>>>> mistakes, some common examples are:
>>>>>
>>>>> Multiple neutral-to-ground bonds
>>>>>
>>>>> Reversed hot/neutral at outlets
>>>>>
>>>>> A single inverter is usually more forgiving. However, stacked
>>>>> inverters must share phase, neutral, and grounding relationships
>>>>> precisely. Any mis-wiring can create circulating currents. That
>>>>> circulating energy is not accounted for in the inverter’s internal power
>>>>> calculations, so the DC-bus voltage rises unexpectedly — and the inverter
>>>>> shuts down for protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> A DC Link Overvoltage error is usually not an inverter defect — it’s a
>>>>> system design or system wiring problem 99% of the time. Ensuring proper
>>>>> neutral/ground bonding, correct polarity, adequate battery capacity, and
>>>>> proper commissioning is critical to reliable AIO operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> This behavior is not unique to the MN AIO — all AIO inverters using a
>>>>> non-isolated DC-bus topology share the same fundamental protection
>>>>> limitations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Inverters are getting more complex to deal with the new rules and
>>>>> utility requirements, this causes reliability issues as we move (or pushed)
>>>>> to full integration with the grid.  Because you know we all want the
>>>>> utility to have full control over our systems!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2025 at 9:51 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
>>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had an issue with a EG4 inverter and tech support was an insistent
>>>>>> that there was multiple ground neutral bonds in the system. Fully off grid
>>>>>> system with no generator.
>>>>>> It wasn’t the issue but it seems like these inverters are sensitive
>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the inverter internally bonded, not that I’m aware of or what I’ve
>>>>>> measured.
>>>>>> And so I can’t figure out what it’s measuring between N/G to have a
>>>>>> potential issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe someone can explain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 24, 2025, at 6:49 PM, Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <
>>>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks all for your thoughts here. It seems that the general
>>>>>> consensus so far is that the N-G should be bonded in the solar main
>>>>>> disconnecting means when doing a supply side connection (even if it is not
>>>>>> technically a separate service). When talking with Midnite Power, we made
>>>>>> it very clear that we were talking about a N-G bond in the inverter
>>>>>> combiner / solar main disconnect, and not the backed up loads panel. And
>>>>>> being that NY is still on 2017 code (only going to 2020 next year), with
>>>>>> the ambiguity in the code I am probably okay to undo the N-G connection in
>>>>>> the main solar disconnect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case specifically, we are backing up only a small subset of
>>>>>> loads in the house. The reason for the two inverters is because there is
>>>>>> about 24kw of solar. There is also a manual transfer switch to normally be
>>>>>> able to power the loads off the inverters, but to be able to switch to
>>>>>> powering the loads off the main panel in case of service needed on the
>>>>>> inverters. The neutrals in this system are all connected together, and I am
>>>>>> not sure if that could cause issues. It is probably difficult to explain
>>>>>> all the details in words, so I am copying part of the three line diagram
>>>>>> here. The second picture is the conductor and conduit schedule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom, I get it that the error sounds like it is on the DC side based
>>>>>> on the words, but when I talked to Midnite about it they were pretty clear
>>>>>> about it being due to multiple N-G bonds and they did not mention that it
>>>>>> could have anything to do with the DC side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason, that is a good idea as well to check the loads that got moved
>>>>>> over to see if there are any other inadvertent N-G bonds on the premises.
>>>>>> This also similar to what Midnite suggested, which was to lift the N-G bond
>>>>>> in the main panel and then see if they are still bonded somewhere else. It
>>>>>> seems like it can be a slow process to track that down with power cut to
>>>>>> the house, but that might be what I have to try if removing the N-G bond in
>>>>>> the solar main disconnect does not help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, my main questions to anyone who has an opinion here are two fold:
>>>>>> 1. Do you bond the N-G in general in the main solar disconnect for a
>>>>>> supply side connection?
>>>>>> 2. Specifically with the Midnite AIO inverters, has anyone else had
>>>>>> issues with this "CA-DC link Overvoltage error" due to having a second N-G
>>>>>> bond in the house? (one in the main service panel, and one in the solar
>>>>>> main disconnect if it is a supply side connection). Or have you seen this
>>>>>> error and found that it was caused by something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 5:25 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
>>>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. It is not a separate service. It is a "tap" of the existing
>>>>>>> service (I use that term loosely here). The additional service disconnect
>>>>>>> for the supply side interconnection should have L1, L2, and N
>>>>>>> connected ahead of the premises main disconnect with no EGC. There should
>>>>>>> be a N-G bonding jumper in the PV service disconnect. Then there should be
>>>>>>> no N-G bonds downstream of both the premises main disconnect and the PV
>>>>>>> service disconnect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Basically, it's the same as two main disconnects running from a
>>>>>>> meter enclosure. Each of the service disconnects has a N-G bond required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some AHJs (the crazy ones) require an EGC between the enclosure
>>>>>>> where the supply side connection is made and the PV service disconnect.
>>>>>>> This creates a parallel fault path, and should not be allowed, in my humble
>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now it sounds like you might be doing a partial home backup. The
>>>>>>> issue there is that sometimes the loads or enclosures you moved over the
>>>>>>> backup load panel have inadvertent N-G bonds. Sometimes it's as simple as
>>>>>>> someone who got creative and used a ground as a neutral in a switch box. I
>>>>>>> say simple, but that can be hard to track down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Midnite said to remove it from the inverter distribution
>>>>>>> panel, they were probably talking about the protected loads panel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think more information is needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>>>>>> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
>>>>>>> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
>>>>>>> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
>>>>>>> Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 11:03 AM Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <
>>>>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My interpretation, and the way it was explained to me by both Ryan
>>>>>>>> Mayfield and Kyle Bolger(several years ago at this point, popular opinion
>>>>>>>> may have changed since). Is that it is not a seperate service.
>>>>>>>>  It is however required to have a ground-neutral bond( though in my
>>>>>>>> opinion pointless and redundant as there is a bond in the enclosure where
>>>>>>>> the tap is made). If it gives you any issue, ensure as close to equal
>>>>>>>> potential to the grounding electrode as possible(and make sure your neutral
>>>>>>>> is appropriately sized). I personally don't see the point but it is an NEC
>>>>>>>> requirement
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 6:08 AM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <
>>>>>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For years I have understood that when doing a supply side
>>>>>>>>> connection, you are supposed to bond the neutral to ground in the solar
>>>>>>>>> service disconnect. I have a Midnite AIO system with two inverters (set up
>>>>>>>>> as a supply side connection) that recently was getting a CA-DC link
>>>>>>>>> Overvoltage error. When talking to Midnite, their first response was to
>>>>>>>>> make sure that there was only one N-G bond in the whole system. When I
>>>>>>>>> mentioned that the solar is a separate service and thus there is a N-G bond
>>>>>>>>> in both the main panel and the inverter distribution panel, they said to
>>>>>>>>> remove it from the inverter distribution panel. I want to make the system
>>>>>>>>> work right, but I also am hesitant to do something against how I have
>>>>>>>>> understood the NEC to be for a long time. I am curious if you all have
>>>>>>>>> thoughts on this or run into a similar situation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
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