[RE-wrenches] PV watts question

Mon Jan 27 21:21:26 PST 2025

Wrenches,
So MPPT,s working at high voltage high and high current with even with the
electronic switching you will generate heat and over time heat kills
Fun times

On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:04 PM Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Ahh I see the light now on the inverter size point. Still I wonder if all
> MPPts are made equal in terms if they ability to clip high ratios with no
> ill-effects.
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> On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:55 PM, Jeff Clearwater <jeffc at villagepowerdesign.com>
> wrote:
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> Yes I’ve wondered about this too and there is much debate on forums etc
> about exactly how this works.
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> Large PV plants have long used 1.4 order of magnitude ratios to maximize
> economics (but much of that was under “per watt” incentives rather than
> performance based incentives).
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> However I’ve long wondered what the true effect of red-lining MPPTs is.
> I’ve seen it as more of a lifetime issue but I wonder that if you consider
> overheating of the circuit if we might actually be clipping more than just
> squaring the top off the curve.   Perhaps PVWatts modeled this?  They are
> pretty thorough there at NREL.   Or perhaps they have a bug or sloppy
> programming. It would be worth asking them. Anyone got a buddy at NREL we
> can ask?
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> On Jan 27, 2025, at 12:43 PM, jay via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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> HI David,
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> My point exactly.
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> On Jan 27, 2025, at 1:35 PM, david quattro via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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> Jay you are right - that doesn’t make sense because with more PV, the
> system will reach “max AC out“ power sooner every morning and hold it
> longer into the evening
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> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:20 PM George McClellan via RE-wrenches <
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>> Probably due to clipping.  The panels are generating more energy than the
>> power electronics can process, so that excess energy gets cut off (or
>> clipped).  It looks like a 1.2 ratio is optimal.
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>> HI All
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>> I’m working with a customer who’s pretty savvy and is using PV watts for
>> his design.
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>> What I can’t figure out is the kwh/year goes down if he uses dc/ac ration
>> of 1.5 instead of 1.2 which is the default.
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>> Hes in Santa Fe NM.
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>> .8   ratio=  1663 kwh/yr
>> 1.0 ratio = 1668 kwh/yr
>> 1.2 ratio =  1671 kwh/yr
>> 1.5 ratio = 1623 kwh/yr
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>> I was expecting that more PV = more kWh/yr.
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>> What am i missing?
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>> standard module
>> fixed roof mount
>> 14.08 loss’s
>> 10 degree tilt
>> 180 degrees
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>> jay
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