[RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark Gen Input
rick at solshineenergy.com
rick at solshineenergy.com
Mon Oct 28 09:09:36 PDT 2024
Yes, that’s my expectation. The output is at such a high impedance that as soon as you put any load on it, it would drop to 0.
> On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:49 AM, Jay via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> It would be interesting to see if there is power there. Like put a low wattage 120v incandescent light bulb on it.
>
> If it was static wouldn’t the meter drain the volts?
>
> Jay
>
>> On Oct 28, 2024, at 7:31 AM, rick--- via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> An update on this “issue”. Sol-Ark Tech Support said that the high voltage DC is normal and not a concern. I believe they said it was a “static” voltage. They didn’t really provide an answer as to why it’s present. But I stick to my hypothesis that the source is the H-Bridge drive circuitry.
>>
>> William, to your point, I’m not thrilled that there’s a DC voltage on the AC output. But given that these units have been in operation for years without issue related to this input/output I’m not too worried.
>>
>> Thanks everyone!
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2024, at 11:09 PM, William Miller <william at millersolar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rick:
>>>
>>> You’re OK leaving this random high voltage DC on the AC output?
>>>
>>> William Miller
>>> Miller Solar.com
>>> 805-438-5600
>>> www.millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 6:09 PM rick at solshineenergy.com <mailto:rick at solshineenergy.com> <rick at solshineenergy.com <mailto:rick at solshineenergy.com>> wrote:
>>>> Confirmed! Reading the same points on a different inverter yielded the same results. At a different site, I measured -188.8VDC to ground on both L1 and L2.
>>>>
>>>> My suspicion is that there’s leakage current via the H-bridge output. Just a thought.
>>>>
>>>> Case closed, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Rick Brown
>>>> Solshine Energy
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>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024, at 3:49 PM, rick at solshineenergy.com <mailto:rick at solshineenergy.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry I wasn’t clear. There’s no PV tied directly to the Sol-Ark however the Sunny Boy has 5.52 kW of PV. Again the SB is AC coupled to the Sol-Ark via its Load input/output.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can assure you that the DC is not coming from an external source. There are no faults at either inverter (measured or indicated by the inverter(s)). Both systems are operating normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ll be looking at another site to verify whether these readings are consistent or an anomaly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2024, at 3:49 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. If you don’t have PV on this system, what are those glassy, flat things on the roof wired to the DC inputs of your Sunny Boy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Think to yourself: What component(s) on this project could possibly produce high voltage DC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the answer to both questions is… PV panels. I highly suspect you have a PV ground fault. Proceed with caution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the Sunny Boy I would check the DC voltage between L1 and ground, between L2 and ground and between neutral and ground. Do this in the operational configuration that is producing the DC voltage on the Gen inputs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While you are at it, check DC voltages between the Sunny Boy DC inputs to ground and between the Sunny Boy Chassis and ground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check your GEC, GEC bonding conductor and all of the system EGCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would also check the GFDI fuse on the Sunny Boy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Miller
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miller Solar
>>>>>> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>>>>>> 805-438-5600
>>>>>> www.millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/>
>>>>>> CA Lic. 773985
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: rick at solshineenergy.com <mailto:rick at solshineenergy.com> [mailto:rick at solshineenergy.com <mailto:rick at solshineenergy.com>]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2024 12:03 PM
>>>>>> To: william at millersolar.com <mailto:william at millersolar.com>; RE-wrenches
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark Gen Input
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There’s no PV on this system. It’s AC coupled to an SMA SB5.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a test, we turned off the Grid input, Load output, and turned off the battery breaker. As expected, the high voltage DC eventually bled to 0V. Turning things on in this order: Battery, Grid, then Load resulted in the high voltage appearing once the Grid relay kicked on. Actually, the high voltage ramped up slowly once the Grid relay turned on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We’ve been installing these for years and have never seen this. Then again, we’ve never measured that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2024, at 2:32 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I had to guess I’d say you have a PV wiring fault. The PV positive may be shorted to ground.
>>>>>> This would make the inverter chassis negative in relation to ground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The logic I use is to ask what is the likely source of DC at 195 volts? It is most likely the PV circuits, wouldn’t you say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the DC Fault is not eternal then it must be internal to the inverter. This could be a dangerous situation. I would proceed with caution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try completely isolating the PV from the inverter as a start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Miller
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miller Solar
>>>>>> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>>>>>> 805-438-5600
>>>>>> www.millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/>
>>>>>> CA Lic. 773985
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of rick--- via RE-wrenches
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2024 11:09 AM
>>>>>> To: RE-wrenches
>>>>>> Cc: rick at solshineenergy.com <mailto:rick at solshineenergy.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark Gen Input
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back on the Sol-Ark topic again. We have a customer whose 12kW is measuring -195VDC to ground from L1 and L2 with the Gen breaker open. L1 to L2 = 0V. I know the Gen input can be configured as an output, but reading a high DC voltage to ground is concerning. The generator has never been run. System is operating normally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have a Sol-Ark accessible that could verify what they’re reading?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick Brown
>>>>>> Solshine Energy
>>>>>> Solar Electric Contracting Services
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>>>>> rick brown
>>>>> SolShine Energy Alternatives, LLC
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>> rick brown
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Electrical & Solar Contracting Services
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