[RE-wrenches] Tigo RSS Off Grid

[Nick A Lucchese]

Sorry Howie, I now see you were specifically asking about inverter/charge controller combo solutions. I should have caught that detail. Still seems as an easy workaround though if for some reason the inverter manufacturer failed to isolate the 12v output independent of the AC output LBCO. Perhaps just a bit more of a hassle to find a good spot to mount an OCPD for the converter. Typically I just use a 1 amp panel mount breaker inside the GSLC but obviously that would be nonexistent with a Solark or Envy.

It’s already been a couple years since my first and only Solark with RSD and did utilize the 12v output for the transmitter but don’t recall how they determine when to terminate the 12v source. Hopefully someone more fond of the all in one inverters can fill us in!

Nick




> On Feb 21, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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> The 48v to 12v DC converter approach should be immune from the inverters LBCO since it lives on the battery side of the inverter/bus. I’ve done a few systems using Tigo’s without issue. The main concern is you now have a DC load attached to the battery output lacking DC load protection that could potentially consume the little bit of battery capacity you had reserved below the programmed inverter LBCO. This possibly could require a black start effort by a homeowner or technician if there were severe clouds for an extended period. It’s not been a problem for me yet, I typically leave my LBCO for most of my Blue Ion sites at 48.4vdc.
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> I wasn’t aware of the Mean-well converters and had been forced to source them from Bezos unfortunately.
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> Nick
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>> On Feb 21, 2024, at 5:43 AM, Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>> wrote:
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>> With the Sol-Ark (or other DC coupled inverter/charge controller combinations such as the Envy), will the system pass through solar power if the inverter has turned off on LBCO? If not, then these alternative methods for powering the RSD signal generators won't make a difference, correct?
>> And does anyone know about the built in signal generator in the Envy (or others?) continue to work if the inverter has shut down on LBCO? If not, wouldn't using the built in signal generators cause a significant headache in those circumstances?
>> Howie Michaelson
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>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 12:42 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>> wrote:
>> What I recommended while at AEE was to use a 48VDC to 12VDC converter to power the Tigo and APS transmitters. This works well. Here's the one I recommended if it's still available:  mean-well/ddr30l12 <https://www.onlinecomponents.com/mean-well/ddr30l12-50161036.html>    I never had any negative feedback using this with a Sol-Ark and APS devices. 
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>> We have two recent installations employing a similar solution.  If it's helpful I've attached a couple photos showing the converter and transmitter that pair nicely with the suggested one-lines shared by Bradley.  This is from a Sol-Ark/Fortress eVault installation with AP Smart RSD.  
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>> Cheers,
>> Sam
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