[RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and LifeBlue

Thu Aug 10 11:31:56 PDT 2017

 Agree Larry and thanks for the update. Have you placed a Lifeblue order?
They all are pretty pricey, even the LG resu10 is about 4,800 at this
time. I do like the idea of easily adding on another string of Lifeblue
at a later time.  --Dave

> Hi Dave,
>
> I looked at them a couple years ago and tried to find out who makes their
> cells, no luck. Compare with LiFeBlue, for $100 more retail you get a
> Bluetooth battery monitor in each battery that communicates with the
> internal BMS and a 10 year Warrantee. I would like to stress how important
> the Bluetooth is. If Battle Born or any other in similar battery shuts
> off, how will you or your customer know why this happened or what to do
> about it? LiFeBlue will display the fault on the System Info page of the
> App. (see attachment)
>
> LiFeBlue has dealer pricing, not sure if Battle Born does.
>
> Larry Crutcher
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Glenn Burt <glenn.burt at glbcc.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone experience with Battle Born lithium batteries? Their price
> point is better than others we have looked at.
> From: Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <mailto:offgridsolar at sti.net>
> Sent: â€Ž8/â€Ž7/â€Ž2017 14:39
> To: RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries
> and LifeBlue
>
> Chris,
>
> I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to
> integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out
> wireless!!!  To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself.
>
> On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last
> year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20
> billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability.
> So I feel they will be there.
>
> The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc.
> This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This
> becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100%
> Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as
> I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a
> breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short
> (failed DC Inverter input). It works!
>
> So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I
> would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :)
>
> Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed
> the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also.
>
> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
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>
>> Have you tried them, are they reliable?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <
>> larry at starlightsolar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>>>
>>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to
>>> the
>>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh
>>> at
>>> 48 volts available today.
>>>
>>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay <jay.peltz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But
>>> until
>>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>>> clients
>>> not a big problem for me.
>>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one
>>> seems
>>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>>>
>>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
>>> offgridsolar at sti.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Jay,
>>> >
>>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need
>>> an
>>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>>> manufacturer?
>>> >
>>> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there
>>> and
>>> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>>> > 100%.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>> > "we go where powerlines don't"
>>> > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
>>> > e-mail  offgridsolar at sti.net
>>> > text 209 813 0060
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