[RE-wrenches] micro-inverters

[Jerry Shafer]

Mike
I also work near the ocean, its all around me here in Hawaii, we have had
the 190's fail but not to environmental conditions and very few issues with
215's. Do you have any pics of the damage as l have seen very little salt
issues.
Jerry

On Sep 13, 2016 9:11 PM, "Mike Nelson" <mdelectricsolar at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've had so many Enphase failures it's kind of ridiculous. We install most
> of our systems near the ocean so corrosion has played a big factor. The
> newer micro inverters are holding a much better, 215 and 250's. I have
> learned over the years that SMA makes the best product, and I mostly stick
> with them. Sometimes micro inverters are requested or really fit the
> installation particulars, so I still use them occasionally. I haven't yet
> tried solar edge.
>
> Michael D Nelson
> MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
> 707-684-0064 mobile
> 707-884-1862 office
> www.mdelectricsolar.com
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>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Rebecca Lundberg <rebecca.lundberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Esteemed wrenches,
>
> I'm hoping the experience of this list can help give us a broader
> perspective on the current market performance and as a secondary concern,
> tech support (or lack thereof), from solar micro-inverter manufacturers.
>
> Are others having much trouble with micro-inverters? We have had repeated
> issues with several different brands on our systems in Minnesota:
> - 8 Enphase systems with mostly M210 and M215, have had to repeatedly go
> back to sites to replace units. The new replacement ones seem to be lasting
> better (we sure hope they will). Enphase is harder to contact in recent
> years, but we're happy they at least provide a predictable stipend. Are you
> also having to replace a lot of this brand of product? Are the newer models
> holding up better?
>
> - We gave a new inverter busbar design concept a try (tenKsolar) and
> though the micro-inverters were supposed to take turns and be 'redundant,'
> the ones with APS micro-inverters needed 100% replacement and the ones with
> Lead Solar micro-inverters have a problem where if one of them fails it
> appears to send a signal to all the rest so the entire busbar stops working
> -- in action it's far from redundant. When we purchased the tenKsolar Rais
> Inverter Bus (RIB) the spec sheet didn't tell us what brand of
> micro-inverter they would use as the OEM so we couldn't research the
> viability of the product or company or warranty stipend (or lack there-of)
> of the micro-inverter OEM. We assumed it was a tenKsolar product and they
> would provide warranty replacements, service, and tech support, but our
> experience has been far from that. When something goes wrong tenK says
> 'it's not our product that's failing' because they don't actually
> manufacture the micro-inverter (it's an OEM), the micro-inverter company
> says 'it's not our product' because tenKsolar has it wired and used in a
> very unique manner specific to the tenKsolar product, so both manufacturers
> are backing away from any responsibility. A 25-year warranty on the
> inverter busbar is a great concept but if/when something goes wrong there
> is no support and no apparent warranty at all except maybe they will send
> us a new component that needs several hours of work to re-install, so
> either the installer does the warranty work for free or the customer has a
> very unexpected expense to get their system back up and running a year or
> two after it was installed; we think both scenarios are unacceptable (from
> our installer perspective :-), do any of you have experiences you can share
> here?
>
> I'm wondering if the climate in MN makes us an anomaly. Based on these
> micro-inverter experiences we feel like the Rapid Shutdown rule has forced
> us to use dc optimizers on residential applications whether we want to or
> not -- is that pretty much what all of you are doing too?
>
> Rebecca Lundberg
>
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