[RE-wrenches] 4 ways to keep a battery for a long time
toddcory at finestplanet.com
toddcory at finestplanet.com
Thu Dec 17 08:56:46 PST 2015
as i understand it agm batteries are lead calcium. my personal experience has shown me that lead calcium is THE battery for ups systems.
to reiterate previous emails about this:
i have two grid tied systems here at home, both with battery backup (outback gvfx series) inverters. one has 1986 vintage, flooded lead calcium made by "globe battery", still going strong after 29 years! the other system has newer, 2008 vintage flooded lead calcium batteries made by surrette (fc-420).
i add water every 3 to 4 years, equalize every 6 months to mitigate electrolyte stratification and clean the tops every spring.
this thread was about off grid batteries, but for grid tie...
todd
On Thursday, December 17, 2015 3:59am, "Chris Mason" <cometenergysystems at gmail.com> said:
I have a customer that has had AGM batteries in the Caribbean for many years without any sign of capacity loss, but...they air condition (?) the room they are in, and they do not use any discharge, they are purely setup as a UPS style system. Unless the power fails, all the power is exported, and they use grid power.
When using AGM as an offgrid solar system, they last about three years here.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:44 PM, jay <[ jay.peltz at gmail.com ]( mailto:jay.peltz at gmail.com )> wrote:
HI Luke,
Without knowing what the charging parameters its really hard to know whats going on.
And this false issue with life span is years really gets me.
Batteries are measured in cycle life, period, So to say a IND battery will get 15 to 20 years is bunk.
It’ll get the cycles based on DOD, if its charged correctly, watered and the sun is in a good phase and, and and,
I’ve got a guy who’s worn out his Hup’s in around 5-6 years.
But how would any other but an IND battery worked with that hard of a life, yikes, L-16’s would have been a set a year.
But I’m guessing his 11 year old batteries could be quite done. And he is caught in the perfect bind.
Do you spend money on replacing some of the cells?
If it was my client, I’d say no, he’d be throwing good money after bad.
jay
peltz power
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Dana <[ dana at solarwork.com ]( mailto:dana at solarwork.com )> wrote:
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> We recommend an EQ when there is a 0.02 SG differential on any one cell to the rest of the pack, use a refractometer for SG readings, install watering systems with a electrolyte port or water the battery bank ourselves, & do not do systems without a charging power backup.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:[ re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org ]( mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org )] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:23 AM
> To: 'RE-wrenches'
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] HuP Conundrum
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> Luke,
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> Contac HUP for specific advice. You've probably already done that?
>
> What comes to mind:
> Since you have two series strings, run the house on one string of all good cells.
>
> Pull out the weak cells and charge them as per HUP's advice.
>
> I'm guessing that this problem has happened because the homeowner did not properly charge the batteries.
> Homeowner most likely did not use a hydrometer upon EQ'ng the cells.
> Homeowner thought the cells were fully charged and equal but obviously they were not.
> Record keeping, log books etc.. for people caring for expensive batteries are well worth the effort.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:[ re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org ]( mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org )] On
> Behalf Of Luke Christy
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:01 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] HuP Conundrum
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> With all of the battery threads going on right now I figured it would be a
> good time to start another one.
>
> I have a customer with a large off-grid system who has just started having
> trouble with a bank of HuP batteries. This system is 48V with 8x 12V
> 6-85F-27S batteries in two series strings. Charging is supplied by around 10
> kW of PV.
>
> I didn't install the system and the customer has always taken care of the
> maintenance and watering himself. He has seemingly been pretty diligent
> about taking care of things, including equalizing on a regular basis.
> However, recently he started having voltage problems and when I made a site
> visit to check on the batteries, I found that 3 of the 8x 12V batteries each
> had a cell with SG so low it wouldn't register on my hydrometer.
>
> Obviously this is a problem, and owing to some complicating factors I'm not
> really sure how best to address the issue.
>
> Replacing the entire battery bank will be unbelievably expensive, especially
> given that the house is in a remote location and there is difficult access
> to the battery room. To add a another factor, the house is currently
> unoccupied while the owner tries to sell the property, so he is not exactly
> eager to invest a lot of money into battery replacement.
>
> The batteries are only 11 years old, so they should theoretically have quite
> a bit of life left in them. Perhaps those of you with more experience with
> larger batteries can advise. Can the cells be resurrected with careful
> charging and equalizing?
>
> What would you do?
>
> Thanks as always for opinions and advice.
>
> Luke Christy
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