[RE-wrenches] PV step-up transformer design

Jerry Shafer jerrysgarage01 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 16:38:15 PDT 2015


Wrenches

We just had a utility side issue that had the same transfomer damage on
only neutral wire. This was a larger 3/0 inverter 333 k but the utility may
be a direction to look at. This was one of three systems, none of the
others showed damage either. There should be next to nothing on that wire
with 240 volt inverters.
Jerry
On Apr 3, 2015 1:03 PM, "August Goers" <august at luminalt.com> wrote:

> Hi Kelly,
>
>
>
> Sounds like a doozey. As others have posted, it sounds like an imbalance
> issue. However, it might be possible to solve the problem without replacing
> the major equipment (could just be wire size, phasing, fuses, etc?). Do you
> have a single line diagram you can share?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> August
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:19 PM
> *To:* RE Wrenches listserve
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] PV step-up transformer design
>
>
>
> Wrenches,
>
> We have issues with a 1-1/2 year old 25 kW grid-tied PV system utilizing 2
> step up transformers from the array to grid. Actually it’s two identical,
> 12.5 kW systems (for incentive and financing reasons) on each transformer.
> Note that the inverter size and voltage selection was also dictated by
> incentives. Each of the two systems are designed as follows:
>
>
>
> - 3, 3.8 kW, 240 Vac inverters (16A max output current) across each phase
> of the 240V, 3-ph Delta primary of a 15 kVA transformer. Each inverter 1-ph
> output has a fused disconnect. The output of all three inverters is
> combined into 3 phase delta configuration with terminal blocks before the
> transformer. Other than the inverter AC disconnects there is no OCPD on the
> 3-ph primary side of the transformer.
>
>
>
> - Transformer secondary to grid is 277/480 wye. The secondary output has
> two fused disconnects (one at each end of the 600-ft run between array and
> line-side connection) each with 20-A fuses.
>
>
>
> After more than year of operation we noticed one inverter, in one of the
> two identical systems, was down (monitoring showed it happened past
> December), indicating a grid problem. One fuse (of the 3) in the secondary
> (grid-side) fused disco had blown. Replaced that fuse, but then 2 fuses at
> the disconnect near the meter, 600 feet away, popped.
>
>
>
> Systematic checking of the system reveals no shorted conductors, but a
> problem at the transformer. Close inspection revealed that the insulation
> on our 90˚C neutral conductor had slightly melted where it touched the X-O
> neutral wire of the transformer (the splice looked fine). Now it gets more
> interesting….
>
>
>
> In the last week, while troubleshooting the first 12.5 kW system, its
> adjacent twin system had an inverter quit with a ground-fault error (these
> inverters commonly will display ground fault errors for other reasons). One
> of the 20A fuses in the secondary (grid 277/480) side had popped. And, yup,
> the neutral wire had signs of overheating. We shut all three inverters down
> in that system. The transformer doesn’t seem damaged, hopefully because we
> caught it in time. But we’re looking at a replacement transformer for the
> first system.
>
>
>
> Here’s what we think may have happened: The grid went down and, on coming
> back on, the in-rush current to the secondary side of the transformer
> popped a (undersized) fuse, taking out one leg of the 480. One inverter on
> the primary side saw a bad grid and dropped out, but the other two
> connected and kept producing. This unbalanced production resulted in the
> neutral of the secondary wye (grid) side of the transformer, being
> overloaded. Over 3 months this unbalanced operation damaged the transformer.
>
>
>
> Initially we replaced the fuses near the line-connection with 60A (it’s a
> hot-swap and we don’t want those to go again unless the conductors need
> it), and the fuses near the array transformer secondary with 30A, thinking
> that will handle the inrush current to the transformer after a grid outage
> better than the 20A fuses. However, after a lot of discussion, research,
> and consideration of the risk (of replacing another transformer) we’re
> wondering if we need to alter the design more substantially.
>
>
>
> The main design change we’re considering is to replace the fused
> disconnect on the secondary side with a 3-phase breaker, that will shut off
> all phases of the grid supply simultaneously in case of an over-current
> fault. But, what if one inverter just plain quits and that breaker stays
> on? Will the neutral on the secondary still be overloaded from the other
> two?
>
> Other changes we’re pondering include:
>
> - Do we need a ganged 3-ph breaker on the inverter side, so that all three
> inverters go off at once? This will only be useful in case of over current
> on an inverter output, which isn’t likely, and is now addressed with the
> fused 240 AC 1-ph disconnects on the inverter outputs.
>
> - Use a step-down transformer in reverse. I.E. use a 277/480 wye primary
> and 240 delta secondary and back feed the secondary with the PV. Some info
> from other sources suggest that this will reduce the inrush current from
> the grid after an outage. I think this would be inefficient at transmitting
> the PV power.
>
> - Can/should we remove the neutral connection to the transformer on the
> secondary side? There are no 277 loads or sources.
>
> - Can/should we put OCP on the neutral to the transformer?
>
>
>
> Your suggestions and experience will be appreciated. This has additional
> importance as we are preparing to install another 75 kW at the same site
> utilizing 240Vac inverters to the 277/480 grid.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kelly
>
>
>
> Kelly Keilwitz, P.E.
> Principal
> Whidbey Sun & Wind
> Renewable Energy Systems
> NABCEP PV Installation Professional
> WA Electrical Administrator
> kelly at whidbeysunwind.com
> PH & FAX: 360.678.7131
>
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