[RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

[Larry]

Hi Jarmo,

I agree and recognize your urgency in making us aware of the proper use 
and charging of Li-ion batteries as well as the dangers of mistreating 
them. As an early adopter myself, I am very cautious in my approach even 
to the point of refusing to sell to some customers. Lithium battery 
technology is in a state of rapid evolution.

Not wanting to harp on the GBS brand that I sell, but one of your points 
goes to prove the safety of their integrated approach. You said, "...all 
it takes is one poor connection or broken temp sensor on one cell." The 
GBS EMS system has cell level sensors for temperature (and other data) 
and each sensor board requires constant communication with the CPU. If 
the EMS fails to communicate any information with any cell, the CPU 
immediately shuts down both safety solenoids, disconnecting the battery. 
With the non integrated systems, failures that don't report information 
to the management system could lead to disaster.

Please keep offering us the knowledge you are gaining as I am a firm 
believer that Lithium technology is a large part of the inevitable 
replacement the aged lead battery.

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
  

On 3/17/15 6:11 PM, Jarmo.Venalainen at schneider-electric.com wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I may sound like I'm a detractor against using Lion, but that's not it.
>
> What I want to bring to light is that, being as the technology is new, 
> not all the issues are known and there are things to learn for all 
> early adopters in the foreseeable future.
>
> From what I can gather the framework for the issues lies in that Lion 
> technology is based on intercalation, that is, a reversible insertion 
> and removal of Li molecules into compounds with microscopically 
> layered structures.  This predicates that there must be no chemical 
> reaction in the battery, but rather only the shelving of the highly 
> reactive Li ions.  If there are any chemical reactions taking place, 
> then in the least the battery performance is compromised and in the 
> most there is a thermal event or worse
>
> There are some very robust Lion battery packs, a favorite of mine 
> being from a local company from Vancouver, (well Richmond, which is a 
> suburb of Vancouver).  It's a small company, but they have designed, 
> developed, built and successfully approved their 6 kWh Lion pack for 
> use in large car ferries in Scandinavia.  The ferries have stacks of 
> these packs in the 100's, in the MWh size.  It can be done.
>
> What I'm advocating is that its best to work with companies that have 
> the time, interest and resources to work through the wrinkles, and if 
> not, then carefully put in reliable and precise BMS circuitry which 
> includes things like fail safe circuits for single point failures of 
> critical sensing circuits, the foremost of which is cell temperature. 
>  When you're pushing large currents, all it takes is one poor 
> connection or broken temp sensor on one cell......
>
> Here's a link to the Lion battery pack manufacturer, Corvus,
>
> http://corvus-energy.com/
>
> I know they do a good job, but they're not cheap,.... for now...
>
> JARMO
>
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