[RE-wrenches] Autocad
Jason Kechijian
solarj at me.com
Thu Mar 13 10:50:25 PDT 2014
AutoCad can indeed be a tricky platform, when I learned how to use it I found an inexpensive tutor for about two days over the computer using a screen share. It was probably some of the best of the money I have ever spent.
Jason D. Kechijian, LEED AP BD+C
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional™
NABCEP Certified PV Technical Sales Professional™
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On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:43 PM, re-wrenches-request at lists.re-wrenches.org wrote:
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> 1. Re: Autocad (Jerry Shafer)
> 2. Re: Autocad (Mac Lewis)
> 3. Re: Autocad (Solarguy)
> 4. Re: AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect
> (Mark Richardson)
> 5. Re: Huge battery bank recommendation (Kevin Pegg)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:56:18 -0700
> From: Jerry Shafer <jerrysgarage01 at gmail.com>
> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Autocad
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> Some state schools teach auto cad and of you are in the class learning the
> application you can get a student version for free
> Jerry
> On Mar 12, 2014 4:09 PM, "William Miller" <william at millersolar.com> wrote:
>
>> Friends:
>>
>>
>>
>> The 3D CAD software I have been using is obsolete. I have decided to
>> upgrade to Autocad. I am temporarily using an educational copy while I
>> learn, but I need to purchase a copy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before I go out and plunk down $4k, I need to do some research:
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I have to expect to pay that much?
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is a good place to purchase?
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there copies of one generation old programs available?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a self teacher but I use printed texts. What is your favorite
>> Autocad reference?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> William
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Gradient Cap_mini]
>>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 22:39:37 -0600
> From: Mac Lewis <maclewis1 at gmail.com>
> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Autocad
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> Hi William,
>
> One thing I have found with AutoCad is that it helps to start with
> something. A big blank model space is an intimidating place with nothing
> in it. If you do end up getting it, shoot me an email and I'll share some
> dwgs that may help by giving you some building blocks. I will mention
> however, that I just do 2D with AutoCad and use Sketchup (Free Version) for
> 3D, so it may not be a big help.
>
> Good Luck
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Jerry Shafer <jerrysgarage01 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Some state schools teach auto cad and of you are in the class learning the
>> application you can get a student version for free
>> Jerry
>> On Mar 12, 2014 4:09 PM, "William Miller" <william at millersolar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Friends:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 3D CAD software I have been using is obsolete. I have decided to
>>> upgrade to Autocad. I am temporarily using an educational copy while I
>>> learn, but I need to purchase a copy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Before I go out and plunk down $4k, I need to do some research:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I have to expect to pay that much?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where is a good place to purchase?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there copies of one generation old programs available?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a self teacher but I use printed texts. What is your favorite
>>> Autocad reference?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Gradient Cap_mini]
>>>
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>>> millersolar.com (hyperlink)
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>>> 805-438-5600
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> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 08:14:36 -0500
> From: "Solarguy" <ntrei at 1scom.net>
> To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Autocad
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> A correction to my earlier reply:
>
> AutoCad will 'print' directly to a pdf file on newer versions using MS
> Windows7 & 8. Adobe no longer supports that function on earlier versions of
> Acad. Mine is a full commercial version of 2000i and works flawlessly today.
>
>
> In the 80s & 90s text & other instructional books came with all software.
> Find old copies, often 100s of pages of commands & examples. Acad doesn't
> ever change commands, just adds new ones so even a decade old book is
> accurate.
>
> Find a local chapter of an AutoCad Users Group to meet others with decades
> of knowledge.
>
>
>
> Jim Duncan
>
>
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:34 PM
> To: 'RE-wrenches'
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Autocad
>
>
>
> William,
>
>
>
> Go to http://www.associatedsoftwaresales.com/home.php . They do a 48-month
> lease of 2013 AutoCAD LT for $325. If you really need AutoCAD, there is no
> cheaper route that I know of.
>
>
>
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William
> Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:09 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Autocad
>
>
>
> Friends:
>
>
>
> The 3D CAD software I have been using is obsolete. I have decided to
> upgrade to Autocad. I am temporarily using an educational copy while I
> learn, but I need to purchase a copy.
>
>
>
> Before I go out and plunk down $4k, I need to do some research:
>
>
>
> Do I have to expect to pay that much?
>
>
>
> Where is a good place to purchase?
>
>
>
> Are there copies of one generation old programs available?
>
>
>
> I am a self teacher but I use printed texts. What is your favorite Autocad
> reference?
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
>
>
> Gradient Cap_mini
>
> Lic 773985
>
> millersolar.com (hyperlink)
>
> 805-438-5600
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:08:20 +0000
> From: Mark Richardson <MRichardson at NewYorkLightEnergy.com>
> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>,
> "glenn.burt at glbcc.com" <glenn.burt at glbcc.com>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system
> disconnect
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> Hi All,
> Just wondering if someone could confirm or expand on the assertion in Jason?s document that:
> ?NEC Article 690.64(A) allows a Line?Side AC connection to busbars, conductors, or lugs at any
> point between the customer?s side of the utility meter, and the service disconnect. Many folks
> call this a ?line?side tap?, which leads to confusion with the ?10?foot tap rule? and Article
> 240.21(B). Tap rules and Article 240 do not apply here (emphasis added). These aren?t feeders, and service
> entrance cables don?t have overcurrent protection?
> Our engineers and design teams have always considered the Tap rules (Article 240, et al.) when utilizing a supply/line side connections and the utility here looks at this as a ?separately derived service.?
> Thanks,
> Mark Richardson
> US Light Energy
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:13 PM
> To: glenn.burt at glbcc.com; 'RE-wrenches'
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect
>
> Glenn,
>
> It may be that the equipment sold in your region is that way, but my experience is the opposite. I just looked in my electrical service panel at my home to check my sanity and it is 10,000A rated. So is every single-phase breaker sold at Home Depot or Lowes. You can?t put 10k breakers in a 25,000AIC panel unless you know the fault current is under 10kA.
>
> I can?t argue with what you see, but you may be misinterpreting the ratings on the equipment. You may be reading something on the actual breaker, but that does not mean that it is 20kAIC in the panel. It has to be tested and listed with the panel. Again, the key is to confirm what the rating of the panel is. That is located on the inside cover or you can get that from the manufacturer.
>
> Bill.
>
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Burt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:51 PM
> To: 'RE-wrenches'
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect
>
> Bill,
>
> I have never seen a main breaker in a residential main load center (say 200A) that has a rating of less than 20k AIC. Is there somewhere else in the panel that changes this?
>
> Glenn
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:24 PM
> To: 'RE-wrenches'
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect
>
> Glenn,
>
> The vast majority of service equipment for residences is rated 10k AIC. Although utilities may say they have some residential services that exceed 10k short circuit availability, it is still pretty rare.
>
> Using single phase gear on a 3-phase commercial installation is a different story. Perhaps this is what you were referring to when talking about 10k AIC being too low.
>
> I don?t people to get the idea that you have to check the fault current of every PV installation. You should only have to check fault current on a new service. Simply checking the ratings of the exist service equipment at an installation is sufficient to know what the minimum AIC rating of the equipment must be. The utility is not legally allowed to increase the fault current on a service above the service equipment ratings unless it is part of a service upgrade and the service equipment is being replaced.
>
> Bill.
>
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Burt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:13 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect
>
> Beware of breakers used as service disconnects. Most in the range suitable for a supply side connections for PV are really branch circuit rated with 10k AIC which is generally too low for the utility fault current they may be exposed to.
> If you can get a statement from the utility with available fault current at the install site you might sneak one in. If you don't want to go to this trouble, use the rating of the exiting main breaker as a minimum value. Usually 20-25k AIC.
> ________________________________
> From: Brian Teitelbaum<mailto:bteitelbaum at aeesolar.com>
> Sent: ?3/?12/?2014 17:32
> To: RE-wrenches<mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect
> One big omission, in the otherwise fine Soligent white paper, is that the 60A minimum disconnect has to be rated as ?Service Equipment?. Generally this means a ?Heavy-Duty? safety switch or Service-rated load center with Main breaker.
>
> I don?t see why an AC breaker panel, with a Main breaker, couldn?t act as the PV system disconnect, as long as it?s Service-rated, a minimum of 60A, and the utility does not require an external-handle disconnect, lockable in the off position. Many utility companies still do.
>
> Brian Teitelbaum
> AEE Solar
>
>
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:14 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect
>
> Don't utter the word tap. :)
>
> See:
> http://www.soligent.net/documents/HappyLandings_v3.pdf
>
> We usually specify a fusible disconnect for overcurrent protection when grouping the PV AC combiner with the main premises disconnect is not practical.
>
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Fafco Solar
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:31 PM, <kevin at renovusenergy.com<mailto:kevin at renovusenergy.com>> wrote:
> I am trying to determine whether an AC combiner panel (for multiple inverter outputs) with main breaker can be also used as the PV system disconnect?
>
> This is for a line tap situation. I am accustomed to doing these systems with an AC combiner, and separate enclosure for a breaker style, line tap over current protection.
>
> Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
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> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:31:22 -0700
> From: "Kevin Pegg" <kpegg at energyalternatives.ca>
> To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation
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> Hi Mac,
>
> We fabricated and operate a similar sized (400 kWh) battery / inverter / generator hybrid system for BC Hydro, our power utility servicing a remote community. It has been online for 2 years now.
>
> Using Dekka / East Penn D-series batteries which we had custom built to our specs.
>
> A notable difference is we have 100 kW diesels and 60 kW inverter capacity in a 120/208 SMA inverter config (stepped up to 14.4 kV distribution). The system works really well and it currently 100% uptime for last 12 months. This is an unattended system we are onsite to maintain every 2 months. No renewable input at this time.
>
> The sizing you have reported seems out of ratio. ~ 20 kW of charging power into a 400 kWh battery bank ie C/5. Depending on the loads the gen is carrying along with charging that could further reduce available charge capacity. That generator is going to have to run for a very long time to charge that battery. We call this the big battery blunder syndrome - which has caused many failures of such scale of system.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org]On Behalf Of Mac Lewis
> Sent: March 11, 2014 7:27 AM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation
>
>
> To clarify, this is for an off-grid application, 4 Sunny Islands, 30kW generator.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:16 AM, August Goers < august at luminalt.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mac,
>
> Is this for an off grid system? We're doing our first project with a Deka Unigy II battery system but they are AGM and I believe only good for grid tied battery backup or applications where you won't have a very deep depth of discharge:
>
> http://www.dekabatteries.com/assets/base/0919c.pdf
>
>
> Best,
>
> August
>
>
> August Goers
>
> Principal
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Mac Lewis < maclewis1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi wrenches,
>
> I am consulting on a job that requires an 8000 Ahr battery bank. This is quite a bit beyond my normal battery bank realm. What would you recommend for this?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
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