[RE-wrenches] conductors and the 120% rule

[Kirk Herander]

Approx.. 50 - 60ft.

 

Kirk Herander

VT Solar, LLC

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEPTM Certified Inaugural Certificant

NYSERDA-eligible Installer

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202

 

From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Ray Walters
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:05 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] conductors and the 120% rule

 

What is the length of the conduit to the subpanel? That will determine
whether to apply the derates.



R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 3/4/2014 1:34 PM, Kirk Herander wrote:

Whether or not a further derate has to be applied is the killer here, as I
am working with existing panels and conductors. In an old Code Corner(HP140)
J. Wiles goes through a similar scenario and calls out the allowable current
rating and conductor in 310.15, but makes no mention of applying additional
derate factors. The .8 derate for 4-6 conductors(l1,l2,l3, & n) will put the
existing 4/0 cable between feed-in and main panel at 208 amps, less than the
allowable 217. I'd hate to need to upsize the wire to 250 mcm.

 

Kirk Herander

VT Solar, LLC

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEPTM Certified Inaugural Certificant

NYSERDA-eligible Installer

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202

 

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[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jason
Szumlanski
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:57 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] conductors and the 120% rule

 

Both the bus and conductors need to be rated for 217 amps minimum. As you
mentioned, the bus is not a problem. The way I interpret it, the conductor
size required would be after derate factors are applied. The rating of the
conductor is ultimately dependent on the derate factors.

 

If you can locate your subpanel adjacent to the main distribution panel, you
may be able to use Exception #3 to 310.15(B)(2) by connecting the panels
with a short nipple. I assume you are just looking at a number of conductor
derate and not an ambient temperature derate.

 

Jason Szumlanski

Fafco Solar


 

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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Kirk Herander <kirk at vtsolar.com> wrote:

Hello,

I have a 225 amp 3-phase main lug sub-panel protected by a 200 amp breaker.
My inverter breaker feeding the sub panel is 60 amps. So 225 a bus x 1.2 =
270 amps. That's less than the sum of the two breakers of 260 amps, so no
issue there. The conductors between sub and main panel have to be rated for
at least 260/1.2 = 217 amps, correct? Is this 217 amps before or after
derating the conductor?

 

 

Kirk Herander

VT Solar, LLC

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEPTM Certified Inaugural Certificant

NYSERDA-eligible Installer

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202

 

 






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