[RE-wrenches] Deka AGM (was Small battery bank vs too large array)

[Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems]

We also have experienced very low life from some of the 8AGC2 6 volt AGM but more of the 8A8D's failed than anything. Over the years that we sold Deka, we also sold Lifeline and Sun Xtender (Concorde) batteries. Zero failure with the Concorde made; far too many failures with Deka.

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems




On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Gary Willett wrote:

Larry:

Are the problems you have encountered with the Deka/MK 12V AGMs also an issue with the 8AGC2 6V AGM? Are the problems you're seeing with climate controlled batteries, or with outside cabinet mounted batteries?

I have an application having I believe heat related failures with one 48V string of outside cabinet 8AGC2 batteries in an off-grid battery based inverter/charger with generator charging (6kw LP generator). Temperature compensated bulk charging of 60A DC is delivered to the bank (0.3 x C20). 

Gary


On 8/3/2012 5:03 PM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrote:
> Vince,
> 
> I know of no such "vulnerability". In fact, an AGM can provide much more instant current than any flooded battery. Concorde (Lifeline, SunXtender, etc.) and Fullriver AGM's are very robust designs. On the other hand, Deka AGM's, specifically the 12 volt 8A8D, are not to be trusted at all. We have stopped selling all Deka/MK AGM's due to very high failure rate.
> 
> One other point to consider, having 5 parallel strings of 12 volt batteries is generally asking for short battery life, especially with an AGM since you can not check the SG to be sure all are charged fully. Cells do not charge at the same rate and having parallel paths for current will leave some cells deficit charged. Having many parallel strings exacerbate this issue. If you do upgrade the bank, opt for lower voltage, higher capacity batteries.
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> Larry Crutcher
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
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> Just a word of caution on the AGM batteries. AGM's do have some vulnerabilities compared to deep cycle wet filled batteries. We had a bank of 20, 8A8D  running a Buddhist Retreat compound and were unable to convince our clients that there were limitations to the amount of power that they could run at one time. They managed to overheat and destroy the whole bank of batteries we think by using too much power during a retreat camp. People had brought there own appliances to use at the camp and we still don't know what the total load was on the 4, Outback VFX 3648 inverters. I'm guessing it was up there close to the 14.4 kW limit of the Outback inverters. We also petitioned our client for a larger battery bank but they didn't think they would ever need that much power. 
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