[RE-wrenches] Request for Gennie Recommendation

[jason pozner]

Hi Allan,

 Oversizing the unit seems to help a bit with durability in that when
operating it's at less than full output (the con is usually increase fuel
consumption). I'm guessing that at  7800' you have about 20% derate anyway,
and I believe its a bit harder to find less than 20K.  If those other units
were running often at full tilt, it might be the answer to their premature
failure.  Make sure your gas is plumbed well and the pressure is checked to
spec of the unit.  Find a knowledgeable salesperson and be sure they
understand the off grid application.  Ask specifically about the cold
weather/ altitude features you are looking for, and be certain that they
aren't reliant on something like the transfer switch (a problem we just ran
into this fall) or some other part we don't use for off grid.

  It seems as though we always have to be a bit creative dealing with the
phantom loads of either a battery charger, or carb/throat, heaters, etc.
We have never opted for the battery heaters as we just pick an over sized
gel starting battery and make certain we have a good trickle charge
mechanism to keep it topped off. It seems to be quite effective.   We have
found that either using a separate trickle charge unit on its own system (a
module on a small pole next to the unit), or just using a regular AC
trickle charger on a timer seems to work well with the charger only
energized during a few full sun hours 12:00-2:00 or so .  The Throat
heaters are a bit more tricky.  It seems like some  gen units need them
more than others.  I have clients that never need any kind of heat unit,
and others that seem to have to have the boost.  A good solution if you
need it is the Atkinson gen start module with the pre heat option.  It only
energizes for a short time as if it were a glo plug after the relay is
tripped by the gen start.  I think the Xantrex XW AGS unit has the preheat
relay already on board.

Other heads up is snow.  Even with its own enclosure, if the client isn't
there to maintain intake and exhaust clearance it can potentially choke out
with snow around the unit.  Simply raising the pad can help, maybe have a
overhang roof for snowshed. It also makes it easy for oil changes/
maintenance.

Jay



Jay Pozner
Nunatak Alternative Energy Solutions
PO Box 2948
Crested Butte, CO 81224
(970) 349-3432

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Allan Sindelar <
allan at positiveenergysolar.com> wrote:

> **
> Wrenches:
> We have cautiously agreed to take on a substantial upgrade and
> rehabilitation of a poorly designed 48V off-grid system. Our upgrade will
> include a substantial array addition, battery replacement, and charge
> controller/safety disconnect replacement. But the immediate need is for a
> generator. The 6 year old system has worn out two Onan residential standby
> generators; the second one just now (at winter solstice) has failed
> completely.
>
> We expect to keep the two SW5548 inverters. The site is at 7,800'
> elevation. The fuel must be LP. The customer is willing to pay for a
> high-quality unit. We expect only to specify or recommend the unit, but not
> resell it, so there's no profit motivation involved; we just want the best
> solution..
>
> I am looking for recommendations of a low-speed, liquid-cooled,
> commercial- or industrial-grade LP generator, of at least 12kW and
> preferably around 15kW, with a good reputation for long-term reliability,
> and that is not designed for home standby use (with phantom-load heaters
> and controls). It will be located outdoors, so must have a weather
> enclosure.
>
> I occasionally am asked to answer this same question by Home Power
> readers, who assume I know the answer because I wrote a primer on
> generators for HP awhile back. Truth is, I don't have any good
> recommendations in this size range, and I'm really hoping that some of you
> experienced off-grid Wrenches who have done larger systems can help here.
>
> Thank you,
> Allan
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