[RE-wrenches] Dangerous installs/installers..

Sat May 7 11:26:38 PDT 2011

I agree completely, and if a homeowner did this kind of work they have to be told how dangerous it can be. 

Jesse

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On May 7, 2011, at 8:43 AM, penobscotsolar at midmaine.com wrote:

> This sounds more like many of the owner-installed systems we see. If the
> customer paid a "professional" for a job like that it is partially that
> clients fault. Those potential clients who don't do their homework often
> get what they pay for......
> 
> Daryl DeJoy
> NABCEP Certified PV installer
> Penobscot Solar Design
> 
> 
>> <html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
>> font-size:10pt;"><div>Welcome to the Rodeo partner..
>> </div><div><br></div><div><br>Dan Brown<br>Foxfire Energy
>> Corp.<br>Renewable Energy Systems<br>(802)-483-2564<br><a
>> href="http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com">www.Foxfire-Energy.com</a><br>NABCEP
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>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Dangerous installs/installers..<br>
>> From: Jesse Dahl <<a
>> href="mailto:dahlsolar at gmail.com">dahlsolar at gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Date: Sat, May 07, 2011 2:45 am<br>
>> To: RE-wrenches <<a
>> href="mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
>> <br>
>> <div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span"
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>> medium; "><span>Wrenches,</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
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>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span> The other day on my travels, I came across a very
>> scary small stand-alone hunting shack install.  All the wiring is cut
>> extension cords and some UF, the cable from the charge controller to the
>> batteries is an extension cord with the 14s paralleled.   mice chewed
>> wire, splices taped and laid on the ground, mis matched modules (least of
>> the problems). not a disco or OCPD to be seen. </span></span><span
>> class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26,
>> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227,
>> 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);
>> font-size: medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span>Also a 500W wind generator 100 yards from the battery
>> bank, feed with #10s and then spliced to #12s (most of it just laying on
>> the ground.  </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span>Now I think the owner should have some responsibility to
>> stop work when the see things this awful, but what can/should we as an
>> industry do about this? What do we say to people that install stuff like
>> this? Take them to court?</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
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>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><span>A small 2500w with surge of 5000w inverter was used here
>> with 6 paralleled 12V deep cycle batteries. Powering a few lights and a
>> vacuum at first, a well pump was added later. I could see the lights and
>> vacuum, but a pump?  How do you go about wiring the output of an
>> inverter like this?  From a receptacle on the inverter to what? This
>> guy cut an extension cord off and splice it to some NM and ran it inside
>> to the loads. No breaker, I just can't get over the fact this guy sleeps
>> at night...</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
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>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; ">You should see the photos of this mess...<br></span><span
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>> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227,
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>> font-size: medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
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>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><span>Thank you for your thoughts,</span></span><span
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>> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227,
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>> font-size: medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
>> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size:
>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
>> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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>> medium; "><span>Jesse</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
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