[RE-wrenches] Component Choices for MY RV - Apollo Solar?

Drake drake.chamberlin at redwoodalliance.org
Mon Dec 27 07:10:32 PST 2010


Have you found the 50% capacity true for Outbacks?  I'm considering 
AC coupling 2000 watts into a VFX 3524.  With the roof angle, on cold 
days, this inverter could get STC solar production easily.

Drake


At 07:53 PM 12/25/2010, you wrote:
>I have answered an eariler email, but in regards to backfeed, I have 
>back feed up to 2kW of grid tied inverter into my Magnum 4024 AE and 
>it held grid specification for the DGI inverter.  Above 2kW into the 
>Magnum the Grid tied inverter kicks out on frequency 
>specification.  Other inverters do the same for me, cause DGI kick 
>out also at about the same level ie  about 50% of capacity.  Sorry I 
>do not have many examples of this. but I do not have any contra 
>indictating examples.
>
>--- On Thu, 12/23/10, bob ellison <reellison at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: bob ellison <reellison at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Component Choices for MY RV - Apollo Solar?
> > To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> > Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 6:58 PM
> > There are a couple things on the
> > Magnum inverters that you will learn about
> > after using one that really need to be corrected.
> > DO NOT backfeed them, they are not protected like most
> > other inverters. Back
> > feed them and BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN! Read that as
> > expensive.
> >
> > Also the split phase 120/240 inverters are slow to recover
> > from a voltage
> > drop. I have never noticed this on the 120 volt units but I
> > don't have any
> > large loads anymore so I would not see it like someone with
> > a well pump or
> > other large surge loads. I have had several calls about
> > this from customers
> > and it is real. If this is a problem or not seems to depend
> > on the customers
> > attitude, but it can be annoying.
> >
> > At least they are still made here, and the service is
> > good!
> >
> > Bob Ellison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
> > [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org]
> > On Behalf Of Brian Faley
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:20 PM
> > To: re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Component Choices for MY RV - Apollo
> > Solar?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> >
> > Just a couple comments to answer your question about Magnum
> > inverters.
> > See below.
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 06:09:35 -0700
> > > From: Jeff Clearwater <jeffc at villagepower.com>
> > > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> > > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Component Choices for MY RV -
> > Apollo Solar?
> > > Message-ID:
> > <p06240800c8523ddca196@[74.220.67.154]>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ;
> > format="flowed"
> > >
> > > Dear Colleagues,
> > >
> > > Well this one's for me!  Nice to do solar for
> > > oneself after installing for others my whole life!
> > >
> > > I'm putting together an small RV system in my
> > > Sprinter Van that will also act as a small mobile
> > > power platform.  SUGGESTIONS?
> > >
> > > I'm considering the following:   What
> > would be better???
> > >
> > > Batteries:  6 or 8 Optima Blue Tops (12 Volt
> > > System - possibly 24V) (space is limited - it's a
> > > 144" Sprinter Van)  - Other sealed alternatives
> > > you think are better?
> > >
> > > Modules:  2 Sanyo HIP-195BA19s (have
> > already)  &
> > > 1 undetermined 90-120 watt module (all that will
> > > fit!)  (Anyone have an extra BP 790 or an
> > > AE-90HE, AE-120HE??? or other 24" x 48" ish
> > > module?)
> > >
> > > Charge Control:  OB FlexMax 60  or should I
> > wait
> > > for the Midnight Classic?  (A Sunsaver MPPT will
> > > be used for the 100 watt module).  (I'll also be
> > > dumping extra power to hot water).  Or Apollo if
> > > I use the Apollo inverter below.
> > >
> > > Inverter:  I'd like to eventually have 120/240
> > so
> > > I could build from the RV.  So question is:
> > >
> > > A) One Outback 2012 now and then add another for 240
> > VAC later OR
> > > B) Apollo TSE2212  OR
> > > C) Magnum MS 4024 (in which case I'd have to go
> > > with a 24V pack and a 24>12 DC>DC for 12V
> > loads)
> >
> > The Magnum MS4024 is a 120V inverter for AE and mobile
> > applications. The
> > MS4024AE is a 120/240 split phase inverter for AE
> > applications.
> > >
> > > Monitoring:  OB Mate (Flexnet?) or (Apollo ASNET
> > if I go Apollo).
> > >
> > > QUESTIONS?
> > >
> > > 1)   Opinions of the Blue Top vs ???
> > >
> > > 2)  Best RV inverter - Outback?
> > Apollo?  Magnum?
> > > Experience?  Vibration?  Only the Outback
> > offers
> > > neutral switching in the transfer switch. (Does
> > > the Magnum?).
> >
> > Magnum MS4024 (120V single phase output) has neutral/gnd
> > switching in
> > the transfer switch of the inverter. It is ETL listed to
> > UL458 (mobile
> > inverters) AND UL1741.
> > The MS4024AE is a 120/240 split phase inverter intended for
> > AE use
> > (non-ground switched) It is ETL listed to UL1741.
> >
> >   Weight is an issue as well as
> > > space.
> >
> > MS4024 4kW inverter 55lbs
> > >
> > > 3)  Charge Control - Is the Classic Shipping?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff C.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Jeff Clearwater
> > > Village Power Design
> > >
> > > Solar Design Consultation for the Commercial Sector
> > > http://www.villagepower.com
> > > gosolar at villagepower.com
> > >
> > > NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ?
> > > http://www.nabcep.org/
> > >
> > > Voice: 831-427-2799
> > > Fax: 413-825-0703
> > > 245 Dufour St
> > > Santa Cruz, CA 95060
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Regards,
> > Brian Faley
> > Chief Engineer
> > Magnum Energy, Inc
> > 2211 West Casino Rd, Everett, WA 98204
> > 425-353-8833 voice
> > bfaley at magnumenergy.com
> > www.magnumenergy.com
> >
> >
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