[RE-wrenches] Interstate UL-16 HC problem

Tue Jun 29 21:04:05 PDT 2010

Really Ray:
    Almost all of the L-16s I've installed or serviced, mostly Trojans, lasted 
7-13 years.  I have only seen one one bank of L-16s die in 5 years.  On the 
other other hand, I have seen golf cart batts, such as the T-105s last 3-7 
years, with only a few making it any longer. 

 Nick Soleil
Project Manager
Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC
PO Box 657
Petaluma, CA 94953
Cell:   707-321-2937
Office: 707-789-9537
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From: R Ray Walters <ray at solarray.com>
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:59:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate UL-16 HC problem

IF those L 16s are much over 5 years old, they could be gone. L16s (of any 
brand) have less cycle life than a golf cart battery, just check the charts.
They also don't fair very well long term in float charge.
You can probably EQ them back to life as already mentioned, but then after 6 
months to a couple of years, you'll start seeing dead cells.
The variation in SG is already heading that way.
Do your best now, and make sure the customer knows they should start saving up 
for their next battery bank.

R. Walters
ray at solarray.com
Solar Engineer

On Jun 29, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote:

That is a tough one to diagnose, but I think you have some sulfation, I have 
used interstates and had reasonable luck.  They act more like a traction battery 
than a RE battery.  This might be a job for a desulfator or a very long slow 
charge.  It takes a long time to get sulfur to leave the plates.  I charged a 
set on low EQ rate for over 30+hrs to get the capacity back and the SG back up.  
I would not charge to vigorously as you can loosen plate material. 

>
>I have not used the ETDA product, but have had success on a long charge.
>
>Darryl
>
>--- On Tue, 6/29/10, Dave Palumbo <dave at independentpowerllc.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Dave Palumbo <dave at independentpowerllc.com>
>>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches]  Interstate UL-16 HC problem
>>To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
>>Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 7:58 PM
>>
>>
>> 
>>Bob,
>> 
>>
>>Sulfation, I’d say. Try EDTA. Trailhead Supply. See Home Power marketplace ad 
>>for contact info. 
>>
>>If it’s not sulfation then maybe it’s simply diluted electrolyte(accidental, or 
>>intentional) which would make the batteries have lower performance AH wise but 
>>should last a long time (plates hold up better in a less acidic solution). Years 
>>ago I received some Hoppecke lead acid batteries direct from Germany to make 
>>good on a bad batch of NiCADS. The Hoppecke LA’s intentionally have a max SG of 
>>1.240. Very big cells (330lbs for a 2v cell) and evidently have a very long 
>>life, as I am using them still in my barn/shop 16 years later and they act like 
>>new despite a pathetically low charge rate. These cells are rated at 2,000 AH @ 
>>100h rate.  I am charging them with 35 amps of PV with the occasional 75 amp 
>>charge when the gen is on. 
>>
>> 
>>
>>I have never heard much good said concerning Interstate deep cycle batteries. 
>> 
>>
>>Dave
>> 
>>
>>From:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org 
>>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of bob
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:53 AM
>>To: 'RE-wrenches'
>>Subject: [RE-wrenches] Interstate UL-16 HC problem
>> 
>>
>>I have 2 systems that I am trying to correct that another local dealer has 
>>installed.
>>This one is 2 strings of (8) UL-16 HC Interstate Batteries, 16 batteries 
total.
>>We cannot get the batteries to charge over 1.225 despite discharging them and 
>>generator charging them till everything shut down.
>>This is a 48 volt system with a Magnum 4448 inverter.
>>He also has (6) 175 watt Solar World panels on a manual tracker. (spends all day 
>>tracking the sun) He is adding 2 more this summer. The controller is an MX-60.
>>I have moved the Magnums settings to 1600 AH battery bank size to allow for the 
>>inverter to have a longer absorb time to help it finish charging and get to a 
>>full battery.
>>It’s not working; we have 1 cell at 1.240 and the rest at 1.225.
>> 
>>
>>These have not been cycled hard if at all, I am going to suggest that he cycle 
>>them several more times to see if anything improves after that
>> 
>>
>>The other system has the same problem with a different inverter! So it’s not 
>>inverter related, but I am at a loss. 
>>
>>I have not used Interstates before and want to stay away from them in the 
>>future.
>> 
>>
>>Any other suggestions?
>> 
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bob Ellison
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