[RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter

Darryl Thayer daryl_solar at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 18 22:14:58 PST 2009


Not so fast on average and expected low and record low.  Last winter it was -38 in a location that has a -39 record low.  I was scared.  
DT

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, robert ellison <reellison at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: robert ellison <reellison at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter
> To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:29 PM
> Thanks Dave,
>  
> Now we don't feel so left out.
>  
> Everyone might want to notice that the temps are in
> centigrade, not Fahrenheit 
>  
> It is still off for this area, by a bunch on the cold
> side but i guess we just need to let common sense work and
> account of that.
>  
> Last year the low was -39 in Watertown and colder in
> other areas that no one wants to put a weather station
> in....
>  
> Tell me again why i live here?
>  
> Later,
> Bob
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM,
> Dave Click <daveclick at fsec.ucf.edu>
> wrote:
> 
> Good
> catch Bob, there seems to be a page missing from that
> table... this report from Bill's site has the complete
> table (at the end of the file, again).
> 
> 
> http://www.brooksolar.com/files/Expedited_Explanation-5-6-09.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> DKC
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter
> 
> From: robert ellison <reellison at gmail.com>
> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> 
> 
> Date: 2009/11/18 11:01
> 
> 
> 
> My eyes must be bad, i just looked at the
> entire list 3 times and New York state is not on it
> anywhere.
>  I have see 48 below and just wanted to see what the
> averages ctually were.
>  Bob
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Dave Click
> <daveclick at fsec.ucf.edu
> <mailto:daveclick at fsec.ucf.edu>>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>    Just a note here- rather than using the record lows,
> you can go back
>    to the future and use the ASHRAE minimum expected
> temperatures as
>    the 2011 NEC will allow explicitly. In the '08, it
> says to use the
> 
>    "lowest expected ambient temperature," for
> which the ASHRAE
>    temperatures are more appropriate than record lows.
> These ASHRAE
>    temps will be higher than the record lows and will add
> a little more
> 
>    cushion there at 600 VDC.
> 
>    So where to get these temperatures? Starting on page
> 47:
>    http://www.solarabcs.org/permitting/Expermitprocess.pdf
> 
> 
>    Also, in case you didn't know, www.pvselect.com
>    <http://www.pvselect.com/>
> is another option for string sizing that 
> 
>    features multiple inverters and a 1 degree temperature
> step rather
>    than the 9 degree (F) temperature step on the SMA
> sizer. They have
>    the Kyocera KD130 in their database, but not the
> KC130.
> 
> 
>    DKC
> 
> 
>    -------- Original Message --------
>    Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter
>    From: Brian Teitelbaum <bteitelbaum at aeesolar.com
> 
> 
>    <mailto:bteitelbaum at aeesolar.com>>
>    To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>>
>    Date: 2009/11/18 01:34
> 
>        Joel,
>         The SMA SWR2500U inverter has been a long
> discontinued model.
> 
>        If you want to use an SMA inverter, go to the
> SMA website to use
>        their excellent sizing program. Plug in the
> module, and your
>        record minimum and average maximum temps for the
> site, and look
>        for a current model inverter that will work. All
> of the "U"
> 
>        series inverters (except for the 700U) are
> discontinued models,
>        and the "US" series are the current
> models.
>         If your min temp is not below 14⁰F, it looks
> like you can use
>        all 24 in one series string with the 4000US
> inverter, but that
> 
>        gets you awfully close to 600VDC (595VDC) at
> 14⁰F. You might
>        want to play it safe and drop one of the
> modules. Unfortunately,
>        none of the SMA inverters will operate with only
> 12 modules in a
> 
>        string (with two strings). However, a Fronius
> IG-3000 will, so
>        you might want to go with that, although it has
> a lower efficiency.
>         Brian Teitelbaum
>        AEE Solar
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> On Behalf Of
> 
>        Joel Davidson
>        Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:56 PM
>        To: RE-wrenches
>        Subject: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter
>         Wrenches,
>         Our customer has 24 each Kyocera KC130 modules
> and wants to go
> 
>        grid-tied.
>        Can he use an SMA SWR2500U inverter with the fan
> kit? Is there a
>        better
>        inverter that will use all of his modules? If
> you have an
>        SWR2500U or a
>        better inverter option for sale, please contact
> me off-list.
> 
>        Thank you very
>        much.
>         Joel Davidson
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