[RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Association

holtek at sbcglobal.net holtek at sbcglobal.net
Mon Feb 16 10:47:25 PST 2009


"So the question is what needs to be done to get SEIA to represent the solar installers' interests that Jeff Yago speaks of?"

Joel,
I would think approaching them with a model of representation such as the caucus may pique their interest.  I haven't looked at the organizational structure of SEIA (I'm a member of TREIA, they're basically a PAC), so not sure where they stand....will do so. Who is the contact at SEIA for such? 

 

Word of the day --- syntegration - synergetic integrity. The gist of the I Ching passages linked. My take..........

Holt E. Kelly
Holtek Fireplace & Solar Products
500 Jewell Dr.
Waco TX. 76712
254-751-9111
www.holteksolar.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joel Davidson 
  To: RE-wrenches 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Association


        Hello Bill,

        Thank you for speaking up. In my enthusiasm to form a more perfect union among PV professionals (people whose livelihood comes from PV work) and my long industry perspective, I sometimes forget that PV is still an infant industry.

        The I Ching (one of my sources of wisdom) has some interesting comments about the danger of factions leading to exclusion and ultimate dissolution. See http://www.afpc.asso.fr/wengu/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing&no=13

        I would like to think that most wrenches and PV professionals not on this list, including myself, would prefer a big, strong organization rather than a splinter group. I also know that SEIA would like more members.

        So the question is what needs to be done to get SEIA to represent the solar installers' interests that Jeff Yago speaks of?

        Joel Davidson



        --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Bill Loesch <solar1online at charter.net> wrote:

          From: Bill Loesch <solar1online at charter.net>
          Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Association
          To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
          Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 8:42 AM


Hi Holt, et al,

I thought the chronology of associations was first a big group to wield the
voice / bargaining power of the entire industry. Only when some group gets
(at least perceived) short shrift does it break off and form it's own
group.
I am late to the party of the 80's but I haven't seen the big group
yet.

Unless I and Holt are missing something why isn't a consolidation the way
to
a stronger industry?

Bill Loesch
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <holtek at sbcglobal.net>
To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Association


> My two cents:
> It seems another splinter group is counter-productive to the overall goals
> of the industry.
>
>  In the "hearth" industry 20+ years ago, there was an alphabet
soup of
> organizations (WEI, WHA, FPI, were "national" entities along
with a
plethora
> of regional associations). These were coalesced into a single association
> that has a manufacturing caucus, retailers caucus, technical caucus, etc.
> This focused the assets - monetary, personnel, PAC's- into a much
clearer
> picture of goals for the industry. Of the many positive results of this
> union was a week long convention that offers not just a place for
> manufacturing to exhibit, but also training in all levels of doing
> business - technical track, managemanet track, sales track to name a few.
(I
> know, the national solar show is getting close) This trade show has grown
> into a rather large meeting of all principles in the industry with the
> caucuses (cauci?) in each area setting goals for the coming year and then
> presenting these in a single venue to the entire organization. My thoughts
> are that this is a much more efficient way to promote the good of the
entire
> industry rather than the fragmented associations that are currently in
> place.
> Instead of energy spent on building a new group, how about going to SEIA
(?)
> and presenting a new format for a unified front for all concerned using
the
> template of other industry associations that give an equal voice to all
> aspects of our industry? That, IMHO, is a more synergetic approach.
>
> To Scott Sklar - is Carter Keithley still in the association business? -
(he
> helped put together a strong association for the hearth business).
Thinking
> out loud - if we could find someone like that to help lay out and
instigate
> a new version of what we got, I'd be willing to pony up..........
>
> Holt E. Kelly
> Holtek Fireplace & Solar Products
> 500 Jewell Dr.
> Waco TX. 76712
>  25...
> www.holteksolar.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Conrad Geyser" <conradg at cape.com>
> To: "'RE-wrenches'"
<re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Association
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > SEBANE, Solar Energy Business Association of New England, which is an
> > ongoing concern, would fit the parameters of the national trade
> > association
> > that you describe.  I support SEBANE and would also support a
national
> > organization.
> >
> > Ken, you have to be a little careful with "CommonWealth
Solar" as it
also
> > happens to be the name of the Massachusetts state PV incentive
program,
> > without the capitalized W.  It was this agency under a prior name
that
> > provided the seed money for SEBANE, so I guess you might say that
they
too
> > support a trade organization!
> >
> > Conrad
> > Cotuit Solar
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
> > [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Schaal
> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:34 PM
> > To: jryago at netscape.com; RE-wrenches
> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Association
> >
> > Count CommonWealth Solar among those supporting this effort.
> > Don't most of these groups support themselves with various
business
> > offerings? Like contracts and insurance ? Priority 1 ?
> >
> > Thanks for stirring this up.
> >
> > Ken Schaal
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: " Jeff Yago" <jryago at netscape.com>
> > To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Association
> >
> >
> >>I think bringing life back into this early start of a solar
association
is
> >>a very good idea. As a first step, I have been working on a
suggested
> >>installers contract and have already received emails from many on
this
> >>list
> >
> >>with suggestions and prior horror stories that could have been
avoided
> >>with
> >
> >>better contract clauses.
> >>
> >> I do not have time to start a new association by myself, but can
either
> >> help others get this going, or wait until next year when many of
my
> >> current project obligations should lighten up.  I also have a
friend
that
> >> may soon have her job elliminated at a national trade asociation
due to
a
> >> major drop in their membership, and she has far more experience
than me
> >> in
> >
> >> the day to day issues of keeping a trade organization going. 
This
might
> >> be a good fit once this thing gets started and can stand on its
own.
> >>
> >> Anyone else want to help me make this happen?
> >>
> >> Jeff Yago
> >>
> >> _____________________________________________________________
> >> Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> List sponsored by Home Power magazine
> >>
> >> List Address: RE-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
> >>
> >> Options & settings:
> >>
http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
> >>
> >> List-Archive:
> >>
http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
> >>
> >> List rules & etiquette:
> >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm
> >>
> >> Check out participant bios:
> >> www.members.re-wrenches.org
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List sponsored by Home Power magazine
> >
> > List Address: RE-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
> >
> > Options & settings:
> > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
> >
> > List-Archive:
> > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
> >
> > List rules & etiquette:
> > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm
> >
> > Check out participant bios:
> > www.members.re-wrenches.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List sponsored by Home Power magazine
> >
> > List Address: RE-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
> >
> > Options & settings:
> > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
> >
> > List-Archive:
> > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
> >
> > List rules & etiquette:
> > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm
> >
> > Check out participant bios:
> > www.members.re-wrenches.org
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> List sponsored by Home Power magazine
>
> List Address: RE-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
>
> Options & settings:
> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
>
> List-Archive:
http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org
>
> List rules & etiquette:
> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm
>
> Check out participant bios:
> www.members.re-wrenches.org
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1955 - Release Date:
2/16/2009 6:55 AM
>

_______________________________________________
List sponsored by Home Power magazine

List Address: RE-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org

Options & settings:
http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org

List-Archive:
http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org

List rules & etiquette:
www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm

Check out participant bios:
www.members.re-wrenches.org

 



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  List sponsored by Home Power magazine

  List Address: RE-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org

  Options & settings:
  http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org

  List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org

  List rules & etiquette:
  www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm

  Check out participant bios:
  www.members.re-wrenches.org

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org/attachments/20090216/359c8687/attachment-0003.html>


More information about the RE-wrenches mailing list