Commercial systems [RE-wrenches]

Thu Sep 7 14:09:43 PDT 2006

Bill and Tom:

Bill....thanks for that input.....

I agree that Tom Hoff has put together some fantastic information in his
presentation.  I have seen many others that do not consider all the
variables the way the Clean Power Estimator does, and that have led lots
of folks way off track.

Sorry I forgot about Tom's work in responding to Tom.

Thanks,

Walt

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Brooks [mailto:bill at brooksolar.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:40 PM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: RE: Commercial systems [RE-wrenches]

Walt and Tom,

What you really need is Clean Power Estimator. Tom Hoff is more familiar
with the tax structure than anyone in our industry. You can access the
Estimator through the CEC website,
www.consumerenergycenter.org/renewables/estimator/index.html. You can
also
get it from the NYSERDA website and the Kyocera website. Although I
might
agree that different factors effect the customer differently, I would
challenge the notion that you are assured that the information will be
inaccurate. Tom Hoff is always looking for ways to improve his products,
but
he has been doing it longer than anyone else. Clean Power Estimator is
better than any spreadsheet I know of at the moment.

Bill.

-----Original Message-----
From: wratterman at SunEnergyPower.com
[mailto:wratterman at SunEnergyPower.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:12 PM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: RE: Commercial systems [RE-wrenches]

Tom:

This is indeed a very complex set of formulas you are asking for.

There are so many variables involved in really answering the questions
that
it takes a great deal of time, and many spread sheet variables to do it
correctly.

The answers are DRASTICALLY affected not only by the various state
programs,
the actual cost of power from the utility in question, various net
metering
cut-offs or regulations, and most importantly, the tax appetite of the
individual investor.  The issues you have highlighted point
(appropriately)
to the non-energy economical benefits that are derived from various
incentives, energy tax credits, accelerated depreciation and other
similar
financial instruments.  Some of these are of no value to a particular
investor, and some are of a high value.

Unfortunately, if you find a "quickie" formula on a website, you can
almost
be assured that it will not be accurate.

But, if you do find one that proves me wrong, I would be delighted to be
the
first to admit it, and please let me know.

Thanks,

Walt Ratterman
SunEnergy Power

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Lane [mailto:tom at ecs-solar.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:00 AM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: Commercial systems [RE-wrenches]

First: Does anyone know of a website that has the formula for commercial
systems with both the federal and state rebate money combinedwith a 5
year
accelerated federal IRS depreciation for commercial systems?
Second: With non-profit or state or federal buildings a formula for a
3rd-party lease for 8 years where there is an agreement for the third
party
to get all the federal money, the state money and 5 year depreciation
with a
3 year extension on the lease for 11 years-- the monetary savings for
the
first 11 years goes to the third party with its occupant non profit
owning
the equipment after 11 years. Joel Davidson must have a formula for all
of
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