Generally bad electrical work [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

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Jeff,

Thanks for the feedback. Here is the correct link to the chart "How often do
you find dangerous electrical installations?"
http://enews.primediabusiness.com/enews/electricalzone/codewatch/current

The guys on this list have seen a lot of strange electrical rooms and
equipment. Relatively few people die and are injured and few fires occur is
a measure of how robust and forgiving electrical equipment as compared to
vehicles with over 40 thousand deaths and 1.2 million serious injuries every
year just in the U.S. Still, the number of electrical house fires is pretty
high. See http://nsi.org/Tips/electric.htm
and construction workers being electrocuted
http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0300/d000390/d000390.html
and a powerpoint presentation on electric shock safety
http://www.ieee.org.br/eswbrasil/Documentos/13%20-%20Common%20Sense.pdf

Best regards,
Joel Davidson

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Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:08 AM
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Joel,

I know that residentially and commercially, we see a lot of stuff that
is marginal to code, and some that certainly does not meet code. When I
was working as a consulting engineer, large projects we did were better,
smaller (with smaller contractors) tended to have more issues. My firm
did a lot more site and installation review, and made a lot of that
stuff get corrected. Most consulting engineers rarely appear on site,
and do not force issues toward correction.

But it also comes down to how you define "dangerous electrical
installation". A panel board without labels on the circuits is dangerous
to some (me included), but not to a lot of people, including a lot of
electricians. Installing breakers by a different manufacturer in a panel
board made by another manufacturer can be dangerous (unless they are
rated for install in that board.) etc. etc.

So can I imagine making a list of "dangerous" items and finding at least
one of them in 22% of the commercial and residential installations? Yes.

I once was chatting with the clerk behind an electrical supply counter,
and complained about some work that a local licensed Master Electrician
had done. His comment was "That's not a Master Electrician, that's a guy
with a card." Pretty well summed it up for me.

Jeff Wolfe

BTW, the chart you referred to was inaccessible to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:50 PM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: Generally bad electrical work [RE-wrenches]

It seems like PV is a microcosm of the macro-electrical industry.
According to an EC&M survey, 22% of those surveyed find dangerous
electrical installations every time they walk into an electrical
equipment room. See the chart at
http://www.mail2web.com/cgi-bin/read.asp Is 22% of electrical work
really dangerous?
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