Performance of Large Outback system [RE-wrenches]

Matt Tritt solarone at charter.net
Sun Oct 17 19:12:37 PDT 2004


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  Carl brings up a very important factor. The steel roof that the 5 kW of 
U.S. lams is on is completely insulated underneath, which doesn't do much 
for the temperature in the building but sure manages to keep the modules at 
just the right frying point.

  I asked the owner to leave an air gap under the roof between the steel and 
the insulation but it didn't happen. There is also absolutely no 
ventillation up near the roof.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Carl Emerson, Free Power Ltd." <freepower at freepower.co.nz>
  To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
  Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:31 PM
  Subject: RE: Performance of Large Outback system [RE-wrenches]




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  Doug,

  My guess is module temp about 150 F.

  Doug when I look carefully at the graphs from the BIPV evaluation project,
  these modules are doing better than other technologies when module temp is
  taken into account.

  Here in NZ we have however made sure that the roof construction includes
  adequate ventilation as this will improve the performance of any module.

  Carl Emerson
  Manager
  Free Power Ltd.
  Cell 021-633999 Cellfax 021-2919399 Email emerson at freepower.co.nz


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Doug Pratt [mailto:dmpratt at sbcglobal.net]
  Sent: Monday, 18 October 2004 9:32 a.m.
  To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
  Subject: RE: Performance of Large Outback system [RE-wrenches]



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  Carl,

  Midday ambient temperatures average 80-95 degrees F in my northern
  California climate. Module temp? Honestly never measured it. Probably
  reasonable to expect the modules to be 30-40 degrees warmer than the
  ambient.
  Cheers,
  Doug

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Carl Emerson, Free Power Ltd. [mailto:freepower at freepower.co.nz]
  Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:44 AM
  To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
  Subject: RE: Performance of Large Outback system [RE-wrenches]

  Doug,

  What module temperature were you seeing at the 2000 watt output ??

  Carl Emerson
  Manager
  Free Power Ltd.
  Cell 021-633999 Cellfax 021-2919399 Email emerson at freepower.co.nz


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Doug Pratt [mailto:dmpratt at sbcglobal.net]
  Sent: Monday, 18 October 2004 7:30 a.m.
  To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
  Subject: RE: Performance of Large Outback system [RE-wrenches]

  Matt, I also have a large Uni-Solar peel 'n stick array. 48 116-watt
  laminates with a factory rating of 5568 watts, facing due south. I've
  been running it about two years, initially with an SW5548, now with a
  pair of GVFX3648s (serial #s 1 and 2...thank you very much Robin and
  Christopher!).

  I'm not very impressed with these laminates either. These modules are a
  lot more temperature sensitive than the factory admits. I'm reading
  wattage off the pair of MX60s running the array, which ought to be about
  the same as you're seeing from the Sunny Boy. Note that I'm NOT talking
  about the wattage actually being delivered to the grid. Since I've got
  batteries, there's some minor loss there.

  Most of the time, each of my MX60s cruises along at something close to
  2000 watts output thru midday. 4000w divided by 5568 rated w = 71.8%
  Interestingly Matt's observed output of 3680w divided by 5120 rated w
  also = 71.8%. Coincidence? Probably not. These modules consistently
  under-perform in the real world (IMHO). Now, to be honest, I've also
  seen my MX60s hit over 3,000 watts each for brief periods, about 10-12%
  over specs. But that was a cool, cloudy day, and was probably an edge of
  cloud effect. It didn't sustain more than a minute or so.

  Cheers,
  Doug Pratt

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