Performance of Large Outback system [RE-wrenches]

Matt Tritt solarone at charter.net
Sat Oct 16 13:56:51 PDT 2004


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  I also have a report, but this is on a Unisolar/SunnyBoy system we got 
going this last week.

  The system consists of 40 PVL 128s (they discontinued these modules a 
couple months ago in favoe of the improved 136) with a factory rating of 
5120 peak Watts, and two 2500U-SBDs. The system is installed on and in a 
steel barn that faces just West of due South in Paso Robles, Ca.

  The owner had us apply the modules to the roofing sheets about 3 months 
ago; well before the service was ready for the inverters, so all the dust in 
this part of the state settled on the modules, which required a thorough 
hosing (if you pardon the expression) prior to testing.

  The owner did the wash job but didn't exactly do a primo job of it, which 
left a certain amount of crapola to act as a kind of  primitive limiting 
device for the PV, and it was pretty toasty the day we tested (about 100 F 
ambient) but I don't think that either or both of these factors can 
completely explain the low max. output (observed) of 3680 Watts @ 1:30 PM.

  I'm hoping that the first real rain will do a good rinse job and cooler 
weather will improve things, but I'm just a bit concerned about what we saw.

  Does anyone else have a story about a similar system?

  Matt T
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  From: "Darryl Thayer" <daryl_solar at yahoo.com>
  To: "re Wrenches" <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
  Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:36 PM
  Subject: Performance of Large Outback system [RE-wrenches]




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  Hi all
  Here is and update on my  40 kW Outback 12 pack
  inverter system .  Performance so far is good with a
  few subtle lessons to be learned.   The highest output
  I have seen is 34.5 kW.  This occurred after a
  rainfall and the sky cleared, the temperature was
  about 40 F, it was near solar noon.  I think the cold
  modules and very clear sky and clean collectors helped
  the gain.  It was also suggested that I may have had
  some cloud edge brightening.   Our fall skies are
  never as clear as we see in the spring.  This is
  higher than other observations which are about 28-32
  kW to the grid.

  The problem that caught me by surprise was a shut down
  during my Saturday open house. The skies were clear,
  near solar noon, I have about 20 people that I was
  explaining the operation to when the 4 GVFX 3648
  inverters on phase C shut down.   The remaining
  inverters took the load about 30+ kW.  With my clamp
  on meter I measured about 4500 watts on one inverter.
  Of course it soon started to flash red and reduced
  load to protect itself.  The battery voltage climbed
  and the 13 MXs took over controlling the battery
  voltage.  I panicked and shut down the system.  I
  turned off the single motion switch in the PSAC which
  controls the 13 arrays coming into the MX 60s.   I
  then called Outback and got help.  Thanks to Greg who
  was working on Saturday.

  The problem was a high voltage on the AC side causing
  shut down.   On weekends when the building load is
  very small and I am putting maybe 25 to 30 kW back
  onto the grid  the voltage rises exceeding 130 volts,
  and when 132 volts is reached the inverters on that
  phase shut down.  Then instead of 30 kW on three
  phases, I have 30 kW on only two legs being supplied
  by the remaining 8 inverters.  The remaining
  inverters, one of which I measured at 86 amps, or
  about 4500 watts and overloading,  heating up and then
  protecting themselves by limiting power to the load.
  The solar was still there and the MX60s ended up
  limiting the battery voltage to protect the batteries.
   So no catastrophe, but sure a surprise.

  I need to change the transformer taps to lower the
  transformer voltage, and this should stop the above
  scenario.  Christopher says that typically the
  transformers have 4 volts per tap.     Getting
  permission to shut down the building is the problem as
  it has two ISPs that need power 24-7 .

  The above has happened every weekend, but never during
  the week.  I am changing the transformer taps this
  coming Friday after midnight.  The system and back up
  power will be provided by the UPS during the shutdown.

  Thanks Daryl

  PS
  I just sent some photos to OutBack Power Inc and they
  will soon post on their web page.
  In the gallery section.

  I made a presentation to electricians and put together
  a power point presentation.  If anyone is interested I
  will send via e-mail I think.  However it is rather
  large and I am not sure my e-mail will send it.




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