Installation details [RE-wrenches]

Tue Nov 26 11:22:19 PST 2002

Matt,

The CEC has a new program manager and a new technical support contractor so
I couldn't tell you what they think is worthwhile--we can only hope.

Bill.

-----Original Message-----
From: matthew tritt [mailto:solarone at charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:45 AM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]

Thanks for the info Bill,

But what about "continuing education" types of seminars for those of us who
think we know everything?
(Joke)
Wouldn't the CEC find that a worthwhile endeavor?

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Brooks" <billb at endecon.com>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]

> Matt,
>
> Thanks for the interest in training. It's nice to hear that people are
open
> to training. We did over 20 2- and 3-day installer workshops in the last
two
> years with over 800 people attending.
>
> We have backed way off on training because the market for it went down
about
> six months ago and the CEC has not decided whether to continue to support
it
> or not. We did a 3-day workshop in Northern California the end of October
> and are doing another 3-day in Los Angeles with LADWP January 13-15. Want
to
> be sensitive about marketing on the Wrenches list so you can contact me
> offlist or call Jennifer Pinkerton at LADWP at 213-367-1068 for more
> information. Basic course description is at www.endecon.com under
> "training".
>
> Bill.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: matthew tritt [mailto:solarone at charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:39 AM
> To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Why don't you put on a few traveling seminars? Since you have both ears to
> the ground on these ever-so-quickly-emerging issues, it would be very cool
> if there were a way to siphon-off some of that knowledge.
> Since all of us in the biz could benefit from refresher courses and
> hand-slapping now and then, I bet you wouldn't have trouble filling your
> dance card.
>
> Matt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Brooks" <billb at endecon.com>
> To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
>
>
> > Jeff and Joel,
> >
> > The program with the best performing residential grid-connected PV
systems
> > in the nation is LADWP. Why? Because they inspect every single
> installation
> > and check to make sure it is working properly, is not excessively
shaded,
> > and is installed properly. It requires someone who is sharp and
> well-trained
> > to provide that type of review--is that so hard?
> >
> > The LADWP experience is that the first few systems are often quite rough
> > from a new installer. Once the installer has to go back and redo their
> first
> > few systems, they learn in a hurry how to do them right. The difference
> > between doing a system right and wrong is not a lot of hours. It's
> knowledge
> > they need. Every installer must take at least a one-day installation
class
> > and must have their systems reviewed and fix any problems before being
> paid.
> > Simple, but effective.
> >
> > Is it cheap--no. Is it worth it--absolutely!
> >
> > Bill.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:23 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> >
> > Dear Jeff and everyone,
> > Band of PV vigilantes? Now that's an image even more ludicrous than a
> bunch
> > of
> > PV stakeholders and bureaucrats cobbling together a PV rebate program
> (just
> > kidding). I think we have a functional rebate program that should not be
> > changed
> > until new goals are clearly defined and agreed upon. Please stop the
> > finger-pointing and tone down the rhetoric and focus on continued
> education.
> > Before going off half-cocked, let's get the details about this Long
Beach
> > system
> > and suggest to the homeowner how his system can be improved.
> > Best regards,
> > Joel Davidson
> > "Let he who is without screw-up cast the first screwdriver." - from The
> Code
> >
> > "Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options" wrote:
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > So let's empower some bureaucrats to do it better? I know that some
> folks
> > in
> > > the CA programs really know their stuff, but would the folks they hire
> to
> > go
> > > out and review/approve installs be that good?
> > >
> > > Bureaucracy is sometimes the solution, but not always. I think some
> active
> > > "self-policing", without becoming a band of vigilantes, might be a
> better
> > > solution. It should at least be tried.
> > >
> > > I'm with Joel on this one.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill Brooks [mailto:billb at endecon.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 7:13 PM
> > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > Cc: Jeff Newmiller; Chuck Whitaker
> > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > Okay Joel,
> > >
> > > How many conversations are you willing to make to fix the crap that is
> > going
> > > on now throughout the state? The point is that it has gotten out of
hand
> > and
> > > the current hands-off approach just ain't workin'. This is simply a
case
> > in
> > > point that is repeated all too often by well-meaning, incompetent
> people.
> > >
> > > Bill.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:55 PM
> > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea for you or Graham or anyone else who is
> > concerned
> > > about this installation at the corner of E. Deborah Street and Los
> Coyotes
> > > Diagonal in the City of Long Beach (Los Angeles Thomas Map Book page
> > 796-C2)
> > > in
> > > LADWP territory (not CEC) talk to the homeowner and LADWP solar
program
> > > personnel before making more CEC restrictions.
> > >
> > > Bill Brooks wrote:
> > >
> > > > Graham,
> > > >
> > > > That is lovely!!! I bet this is on a SunnyBoy inverter as well.
> > Actually,
> > > if
> > > > they laid the panels flat on the roof and got rid of a couple of the
> > extra
> > > > panels, this system might actually work.
> > > >
> > > > So Joel, do you still hold to your opinion that everything is okay
> with
> > > the
> > > > level of restrictions in the CEC program?
> > > >
> > > > Bill.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Graham Owen [mailto:graham at solarexpert.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:05 AM
> > > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > > >
> > > > Here is a picture of what I would consider a bad example
installation.
> > > > I also had absolutely nothing to do with this job.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.solarexpert.com/images12/competition.html
> > > >
> > > > By the way, I think a good piece of advice for solar thermal turned
PV
> > > > installer is to not use plumbing tube cutters for cutting EMT.
> > > >
> > > > Graham
> > > >
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